Pentagon proposes huge sale of warplanes to Saudi Arabia

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christiefan915

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I know this kind of stuff goes on all the time, but I was still kind of shocked to read that Obama is doing it. We're going to do this deal with the country whose fanatics attacked the Twin Towers. I wonder if conservatives are as appalled by this as they are with the Park51 project.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is seeking a go-ahead from Congress to sell as much as $60 billion worth of sophisticated warplanes to Saudi Arabia, and it could add another $30 billion worth of naval arms in a deal designed to counter the rise of Iran as a regional power.

The deal apparently would represent the largest single U.S. arms sale ever approved.

It would allow Saudi Arabia, the most militarily advanced of the Arab Gulf states and one of the richest countries in the world, to buy top-line U.S.-made helicopters and fighter jets with ranges that would span the Middle East and beyond.

Unlike some previous sales to Saudi Arabia, this one is not expected to be derailed by opposition in Congress or from U.S. backers of Israel, who have worried in the past about blunting Israel's military edge over its Arab neighbors.

Iran is now seen by Israel, the Gulf Arab states and the West as a significant and unpredictable threat that has changed the old calculus of the region's balance of power.

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Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10257/1087413-82.stm#ixzz0zY0yKOvf
 
Finally the U.S is exporting something. This will be good for are economy. It will create manufacturing jobs right here in America.
 
On the bright side, with the outsourcing of most US manufacturing jobs because of the magic of Reaganomics, at least the one tangible thing we actually make that is in demand is shit to blow people up.

What this tells me is that the U.S. doesn’t trust Iraq. Iraq – being the largest and historically most powerful Arab nation – was always historically the main line of Arab defense against Persian influence and aggression. Ever since the WMD went missing, the main NeoCon logic excuse for invading Iraq seemed to be some blather about having a “strong, democratic” ally in the region. One that would supposedly align itself largely with U.S. interests.

The fact our trust in the Iraqis seems to be limited to giving them some AK-47s and other pea-shooters, pretty much speaks volumes about our level of trust in them. Christie, you’re right. As long as we need Saudi oil, we are going to be slaves to an autocratic, and medieval regime. It’s been a Faustian bargain for 50 years.

All I can say about Iraq is: Well done, Shrub. Well, done.
 
Cypress said:
On the bright side, with the outsourcing of most US manufacturing jobs because of the magic of Reaganomics, at least the one tangible thing we actually make that is in demand is shit to blow people up.

What this tells me is that the U.S. doesn’t trust Iraq. Iraq – being the largest and historically most powerful Arab nation – was always historically the main line of Arab defense against Persian influence and aggression. Ever since the WMD went missing, the main NeoCon logic excuse for invading Iraq seemed to be some blather about having a “strong, democratic” ally in the region. One that would supposedly align itself largely with U.S. interests.

The fact our trust in the Iraqis seems to be limited to giving them some AK-47s and other pea-shooters, pretty much speaks volumes about our level of trust in them. Christie, you’re right. As long as we need Saudi oil, we are going to be slaves to an autocratic, and medieval regime. It’s been a Faustian bargain for 50 years.

All I can say about Iraq is: Well done, Shrub. Well, done.
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:lmao:

occasionally your hackery really cracks me up
 
christiefan915 said:
I know this kind of stuff goes on all the time, but I was still kind of shocked to read that Obama is doing it. We're going to do this deal with the country whose fanatics attacked the Twin Towers. I wonder if conservatives are as appalled by this as they are with the Park51 project.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is seeking a go-ahead from Congress to sell as much as $60 billion worth of sophisticated warplanes to Saudi Arabia, and it could add another $30 billion worth of naval arms in a deal designed to counter the rise of Iran as a regional power.

The deal apparently would represent the largest single U.S. arms sale ever approved.

It would allow Saudi Arabia, the most militarily advanced of the Arab Gulf states and one of the richest countries in the world, to buy top-line U.S.-made helicopters and fighter jets with ranges that would span the Middle East and beyond.

Unlike some previous sales to Saudi Arabia, this one is not expected to be derailed by opposition in Congress or from U.S. backers of Israel, who have worried in the past about blunting Israel's military edge over its Arab neighbors.

Iran is now seen by Israel, the Gulf Arab states and the West as a significant and unpredictable threat that has changed the old calculus of the region's balance of power.

(Article continues)

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10257/1087413-82.stm#ixzz0zY0yKOvf
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Osama Bin Laden and most of his followers were BANISHED from the Kingdom. While there certainly are elements in the Kingdom that still support the Osama's of the world, just as there are elements in the US that supported the IRA, the Kingdom kicked Osama out due to his radical actions.
 
Cypress said:
On the bright side, with the outsourcing of most US manufacturing jobs because of the magic of Reaganomics, at least the one tangible thing we actually make that is in demand is shit to blow people up.

What this tells me is that the U.S. doesn’t trust Iraq. Iraq – being the largest and historically most powerful Arab nation – was always historically the main line of Arab defense against Persian influence and aggression. Ever since the WMD went missing, the main NeoCon logic excuse for invading Iraq seemed to be some blather about having a “strong, democratic” ally in the region. One that would supposedly align itself largely with U.S. interests.

The fact our trust in the Iraqis seems to be limited to giving them some AK-47s and other pea-shooters, pretty much speaks volumes about our level of trust in them. Christie, you’re right. As long as we need Saudi oil, we are going to be slaves to an autocratic, and medieval regime. It’s been a Faustian bargain for 50 years.

All I can say about Iraq is: Well done, Shrub. Well, done.
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So says the moron who supports continued efforts to DRILL US OIL and Nat Gas
 
well, the apples don't fall far from the trees. longstanding incumbent politicians quickly understand that war economies provide the only boost to the public while you still maintain conflicts. If anyone thought Obama was really going to end the conflicts overseas, how does it feel to be lied to?
 
Superfreak said:
Osama Bin Laden and most of his followers were BANISHED from the Kingdom. While there certainly are elements in the Kingdom that still support the Osama's of the world, just as there are elements in the US that supported the IRA, the Kingdom kicked Osama out due to his radical actions.
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You are so utterly full of shit for whitewashing Saudi Arabia. They fund terror all around the globe. So what if osama can't visit home.

Stop being such a duplicitous lying sack of shit new world order neocon traitor liar.
 
Maybe America should invest a ton of money into researching efficient electric cars to make middle eastern oil unimportant. Investing a lot of money into biofuels would also help to make oil less important. Saudia Arabia has more money than Iraq so their able to to buy the big weapons. America needs to sell weapons to countries around the world. If they don't buy from us it means that they will buy from the Russians or the Chinese.
 
aren't weapons the largest export of north korea as well? gee wonder how the rest of the world views us.
 
hotdog said:
Maybe America should invest a ton of money into researching efficient electric cars to make middle eastern oil unimportant. Investing a lot of money into biofuels would also help to make oil less important. Saudia Arabia has more money than Iraq so their able to to buy the big weapons. America needs to sell weapons to countries around the world. If they don't buy from us it means that they will buy from the Russians or the Chinese.
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Stop with your green fascist agenda. Nobody wants your green fascism.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Stop with your green fascist agenda. Nobody wants your green fascism.
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How is turning away from oil a bad thing. Its good for the enviornment and its good for America's national security. It also will create energy security. Its a win win situation. Haven't you head of peak oil.
 
hotdog said:
How is turning away from oil a bad thing. Its good for the enviornment and its good for America's national security. It also will create energy security. Its a win win situation. Haven't you head of peak oil.
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It's your M.O. Using tax payer money to subsidize "good ideas" is what i object to.
 
AssHatZombie said:
It's your M.O. Using tax payer money to subsidize "good ideas" is what i object to.
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Haven't I also said tax cuts on renewable energy, Electric cars, fuel efficient cars. Tax incentives are just as good as subsidies. Arn't oil companies heavily subsidized. More money every year goes to subsidize oil companies then renewable energy companies. Whats wrong with the government putting some money into good productive research into designing an efficient electric cars and efficient solar panals.
 
So, if I'm reading this correctly, our government, which has a huge debt to pay, is selling some of it's older, surplus stock, which gives us money, and in fact saves us money as well (by not having to continuously pay for upkeep, storage, etc.) and this is a bad thing? While not mentioned in the article, I'll be willing to bet we're selling old F-16 and F-15s, AH-1 cobras, and some Oliver Hazard Perry escort ships. This is all equipment that's been slated for the chopping block anyways.

As for Cypress' supposed 'point' about us not selling anything to the Iraqis, you're flat out wrong. We've sold them all sorts of older U.S. equipment. HMMWVs, ammo, helos, NVGs, Etc.
 
christiefan915 said:
I know this kind of stuff goes on all the time, but I was still kind of shocked to read that Obama is doing it. We're going to do this deal with the country whose fanatics attacked the Twin Towers. I wonder if conservatives are as appalled by this as they are with the Park51 project.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is seeking a go-ahead from Congress to sell as much as $60 billion worth of sophisticated warplanes to Saudi Arabia, and it could add another $30 billion worth of naval arms in a deal designed to counter the rise of Iran as a regional power.

The deal apparently would represent the largest single U.S. arms sale ever approved.

It would allow Saudi Arabia, the most militarily advanced of the Arab Gulf states and one of the richest countries in the world, to buy top-line U.S.-made helicopters and fighter jets with ranges that would span the Middle East and beyond.

Unlike some previous sales to Saudi Arabia, this one is not expected to be derailed by opposition in Congress or from U.S. backers of Israel, who have worried in the past about blunting Israel's military edge over its Arab neighbors.

Iran is now seen by Israel, the Gulf Arab states and the West as a significant and unpredictable threat that has changed the old calculus of the region's balance of power.

(Article continues)

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10257/1087413-82.stm#ixzz0zY0yKOvf
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Well, just take note, so in case they want to invade Saudi in a few years to find the airplanes of mass destruction, we will know who authorized this sale! Then we can burn him in effigy!
 
SmarterThanYou said:
well, the apples don't fall far from the trees. longstanding incumbent politicians quickly understand that war economies provide the only boost to the public while you still maintain conflicts. If anyone thought Obama was really going to end the conflicts overseas, how does it feel to be lied to?
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I am getting use to it and that is what REALLY bothers me.
 
hotdog said:
Maybe America should invest a ton of money into researching efficient electric cars to make middle eastern oil unimportant. Investing a lot of money into biofuels would also help to make oil less important. Saudia Arabia has more money than Iraq so their able to to buy the big weapons. America needs to sell weapons to countries around the world. If they don't buy from us it means that they will buy from the Russians or the Chinese.
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The USA is investing in electric cars, 62,000 jobs created in Michigan, they will be making the batteries for the cars! This is part of that stimulus money that is doing something right! IMSLO
 
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