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Damocles said:
Guh... I have yet to hear anybody tell me that it is "normal", and it would be a stupid argument even if it were.

Saying, "It isn't natural and therefore is bad... mmm'kay?" is rubbish. Saying it isn't normal and therefore it is bad is equally stupid. Saying it isn't "healthy" is equally stupid. It isn't healthy to smoke cigars, yet we let those people get married and adopt kids. It isn't healthy to ride bulls, but bullriders can get married, adopt kids...

All of these are stupid measures to use to deny adoptions and marriages, absolutely nonsense and misapplied. They are simply measures used by the religious to pretend they are not arguing their religious views, anybody with even an iota of logic can clearly see that we allow people that are not normal, do things that are not natural, and even things that are not healthy to marry.

Any of these things are irrelevant, there is no purpose or logic to that argument. If you were to convince us that people who do unnatural things should not be allowed to marry or adopt children nobody at all could marry or adopt children. If you tell the truth and say that Jeebus doesn't like it so we shouldn't allow it then you can't understand what the 1st Amendment is about, and if you lie and say it isn't "natural and normal" you are just processing nonsense though your speaking hole.
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Lot of folks have argued here that it is normal and natural. I didn't see you protesting then.

Again, I never said not normal and natural was bad. All I ask is that folks don't lie about it.
 
poet said:
It's not like a club (or a klavern) you join. And how would you know what the homosexual agenda is unless you were one, yourself? Were you at the last meeting?
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You claim to know what the conservative agenda is yet you haven't joined up.

See how easy it is for me to destroy your arguments? No wonder you resort to baseless allegations, logical fallacies, name calling and veiled threats. :D
 
DamnYankee said:
You claim to know what the conservative agenda is yet you haven't joined up.

See how easy it is for me to destroy your arguments? No wonder you resort to baseless allegations, logical fallacies, name calling and veiled threats. :D
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And you have made claims with no backup whatsoever. Yet you demand it from others. Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
Damocles makes a good point. It's not relevant if homosexuality is "natural" or not. Natural does not make something right. It's not natural for a man to be monogamous or celabte, but we sometimes value those traits. Lots of good things we do are not "natural". As far as normal... Normal can be a very bad thing.

Natural and normal are a very poor judge of right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy.
 
Jarod said:
Damocles makes a good point. It's not relevant if homosexuality is "natural" or not. Natural does not make something right. It's not natural for a man to be monogamous or celabte, but we sometimes value those traits. Lots of good things we do are not "natural". As far as normal... Normal can be a very bad thing.
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My biggest complaint with the 4 standards DY uses against gay marriage (abnormal, unnatural, immoral & unhealthy) is that the same standards are not used against straight couples. He wants a whole different set of standards for gays than exist for straights. That amounts to bigotry.
 
Jarod said:
Damocles makes a good point. It's not relevant if homosexuality is "natural" or not. Natural does not make something right. It's not natural for a man to be monogamous or celabte, but we sometimes value those traits. Lots of good things we do are not "natural". As far as normal... Normal can be a very bad thing.

Natural and normal are a very poor judge of right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy.
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Again, I never said not normal and natural was bad. All I ask is that folks don't lie about it.
 
People can have honest differences about what is natural and normal, it's not a lie, it's a difference of opinion.

But, why does it matter?
 
DamnYankee said:
You claim to know what the conservative agenda is yet you haven't joined up.

See how easy it is for me to destroy your arguments? No wonder you resort to baseless allegations, logical fallacies, name calling and veiled threats. :D
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The conservative agenda is posted all over the internet and daily news, which I can re-post, if need be. There is no reference material for you to draw upon, which dictates the "gay agenda" you have described and demonize. Where is the gay recruitment of members? Where is the rampant pedophilia? Where is the endangerment of traditional marriage?
Where is the debauchery in the streets? You're the one with baseless allegations and illogical fallacies, name calling and fear.
 
poet said:
I don't care. It was just an observation, really. I see it as a cry for attention on your part. And when I view your posts, after having ignored them for a spell, your constant whining and bickering reveals that you still don't have anything of substance to offer to the discourse, other than insults and school girl quips and antics. You can't debate....you can only "quip". Realize where you are.
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And after reading your posts, I can see no reason that you would want to make an observation about something you care nothing about; therefore: you are lying and it does have an affect on you.

You bringing it up, several times now, is obviously a cry for attention from you.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And after reading your posts, I can see no reason that you would want to make an observation about something you care nothing about; therefore: you are lying and it does have an affect on you.

You bringing it up, several times now, is obviously a cry for attention from you.
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Illusions of grandeur and wishful thinking on your part. No, it doesn't affect me, other than making me chuckle at your feeble attempts to best me.
Another poster, from another country , already told you that your intellect and your posts weren't up to par with mine....and this is a person, with whom I've had differences with, so how more objective could he have been? LOL. And before you try to summarily dismiss his opinion.....let me say, though he and I have had our differences, he is much smarter and more learned than you. Now run along, and go play with yourself.
 
poet said:
The conservative agenda is posted all over the internet and daily news, which I can re-post, if need be. There is no reference material for you to draw upon, which dictates the "gay agenda" you have described and demonize. Where is the gay recruitment of members? Where is the rampant pedophilia? Where is the endangerment of traditional marriage?
Where is the debauchery in the streets? You're the one with baseless allegations and illogical fallacies, name calling and fear.
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The gay agenda is obvious. They can't reproduce, so need another way to maintain or increase their population. :D
 
DamnYankee said:
The gay agenda is obvious. They can't reproduce, so need another way to maintain or increase their population. :D
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Woot. There it is. Another example of your illogical fallacies. Gays have been here since the beginning. And will continue. There is no gay agenda, outside of equal rights under the law, which includes the right to marry, adopt and jurisdiction over property rights. Some men and women are attracted to members of the same sex. BFD.
There is no need to active attempt to increase or maintain the gay population (even if that were possible).
 
DamnYankee said:
The gay agenda is obvious. They can't reproduce, so need another way to maintain or increase their population. :D
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So you think they convert others to being gay? lol

So all throughout history they have been converting people?
 
WinterBorn said:
You have not provided backup for a single claim you have made, and now you want someone else to prove what they say? lol

You're as bad as Legion.
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I guess he didn't get the memo, "Poet ain't proving shit, because he don't have to". When he posts a link, some evidence, a source (other than a right wing media source), then he might get some reciprocity (depending on how I'm feeling).
 
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