Pence Must Testify to Jan. 6 Grand Jury, Judge Rules
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evince
Truthmatters
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/03/politics/mike-pence-false-claims-voter-fraud/index.html
Pense lied about stolen elections for trump
He helped cover over the election crimes of the trump admin
He had all the real intel
And lied anyway
You are supposed to report crimes
Not lie to protect criminals doing crimes
Pense lied about stolen elections for trump
He helped cover over the election crimes of the trump admin
He had all the real intel
And lied anyway
You are supposed to report crimes
Not lie to protect criminals doing crimes
evince
Truthmatters
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-book-crime-trump-2020-election-kirschner-1758893?amp=1
Mike Pence Committed Felony Concealing Trump's Election Crimes: Kirschner
BY EWAN PALMER ON 11/11/22 AT 6:15 AM EST
Mike Pence Committed Felony Concealing Trump's Election Crimes: Kirschner
BY EWAN PALMER ON 11/11/22 AT 6:15 AM EST
evince
Truthmatters
In the book, Pence described how Trump made frequent attempts to try and pressure him to stop the 2020 election results from being certified in Congress on January 6, 2021, during his purely ceremonial role of president officer of the Senate.
He admitted to this CRIME in his own book
He admitted to this CRIME in his own book
evince
Truthmatters
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...e-advised-pence-he-had-no-flexibility-in/amp/
He repeatedly asked Quale if he could do what trump wanted
Quale repeatedly told him that it would be unconstitutional
Pence told him “but you don’t know the pressure I’m under”
If Quale called the FBI like he should have
The FBI knows how much Pence wanted to do this crime for Trump
He repeatedly asked Quale if he could do what trump wanted
Quale repeatedly told him that it would be unconstitutional
Pence told him “but you don’t know the pressure I’m under”
If Quale called the FBI like he should have
The FBI knows how much Pence wanted to do this crime for Trump
QP!
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Few people dislike organized religions as much as i do and while I have known many religious people willing to do all sorts of immoral and illegal things, many will not put their hand on the bible and swear an oath to god to not lie, and then immediately lie. that is line many won't cross. I am not sure Pence is one of them that will not cross but i suspect he is.
I think ultimately he not do what Trump asked as he said he 'swore an oath to protect the Constitution', with his hand on the bible and he knew he would be breaking that oath to God. he was calling around hopign someone would tell him it was not breaking the oath and 'here is the reason why', and when no one would tell him, he did the right thing.
I bet he takes the Fifth 180 times. If he intended to tell the truth, he wouldn't have thrown lawyers at the grand jury demanding his presence.
QP!
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I would love to see a betting line on that. I cannot see him taking the 5th, as i do not think he is a target of Jack Smith, and is being sought as a witness against Trump, Meadows, etc. I am not saying he has done no wrongs, and just that his wrongs would be magnitudes harder to prosecute. It would be a terrible look for any POTUS candidate, not named Trump, to go in to the primaries saying 'I could not speak as it would incriminate myself', thus confessing he has done wrongs.
If he does take the 5th I suspect Jack Smith immediately gives him immunity and then compels him to speak. Few people, once given immunity, will lie or do any obstruction. You are now free and clear of the crimes you think you might have done (why you took the 5th) and you do not want to then make yourself subject to all new crimes of lying or obstruction.
It will just be postponed, delayed, and appealed forever, common tactic
I'm guessing he doesn't take it once....but if he does, he can never again hold his head up in church or expect to become President.
Possibly, but that gives the appearance of guilt and goes against American ideals of truth and justice.
Well, maybe not that last part. After all, look at all the RWers drooling to get Trump back on the throne. He took the Fifth just recently, over 400 times, in his testimony.
He's far behind Pedo Don and Meatball Ron. I doubt he'll catch up. Smart, rational Republicans will try to push Nikki, but I doubt there are enough of them to make it happen.
The Democrats are wishing it will be Trump, but, at present, I'm guessing it will be DeSantis. Unlike the rest of the field, Pence won't be running for VP. Nikki could still be a good VP candidate to soften Ron's image. Casey DeSantis would like it too.
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/republican-party-presidential-nominee-odds/
Previously I didn't think Pence broke any laws; in fact, I saw him as a potential victim of the mob who had a lucky escape, and as trump's punching bag after he refused to "overturn" the election.
Now I wonder why he lawyered up and tried so hard to keep from giving testimony in the 1/6 investigation. He claimed executive privilege but the judge didn't buy it. He even said he's willing to take the battle to SCOTUS.
Pence will have to answer questions re: any criminality by trump, not any crime committed by himself. It's his duty but he doesn't want to do it. According to The Hill, he's using this lame argument in his defense: "Pence’s team planned to roll out an unusual argument in the case, saying testimony would violate the “speech and debate” clause of the Constitution which shields legislators from being questioned in any other place” beyond legislative chambers."
Guess I'm a lot more cynical than you because I don't believe that being faithful to his religious beliefs will keep him from refusing to answer questions that might show him in a bad light.
Calling Dan Quayle didn't look good for him. Supposedly he understands the Constitution and the election rules, and he could have gone to his own lawyers with questions. Even we JPP posters know about the ceremonial role of counting electoral votes, so why did the VP even have to ask another's opinion about it.
QP!
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People are confused as to why top Republicans who clearly hate Trump, and top Fox who clearly hate Trump, will support him and not put a bullet in him when they have the chance when they want him gone.
It is not a tough question to answer. The answer starts at the 26 second mark of this video.
Any Republican who is not seen as FIGHTING for Trump, in his challenges will lose a big part of his base going forward and while there is no guarantee they get them anyway, they all hold on to that HOPE.
So while Pence and so many others are crossing their fingers that a Prosecution can take Trump out of the picture, they will 'fight for Trump' as it happens, while hoping Trump loses and goes to jail but they can then say 'I fought for Trump... vote for me and lets continue his legacy'.
Republicans care about power and ruling more than anything else. So they will not risk losing the Trump base to get rid of him. Getting rid of Trump and not winning any elections as a big percent of the 30% of his support stays home, would destroy them, just as Lindsey Graham once said.
I think Pence talked to a lot of people. Quayle was probably the most prominent person outside the loop at the time.
My guess is that Pence was getting conflicting information for legal advisors....Trump legal advisors.
That makes a lot of sense. Possibly he wanted to be sure there were no loopholes.