Pelosi trying to ram reconciliation bill down everyones throat!

[Poor Richard Saunders]

She has read the Bill, have you paid hack!

Clearly she hasn't read it based on her claims. Either that or she is just outright lying.

The text of the bill can be found here.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5376/text

Please show us where the largest tax increase in history occurs in the bill.
Then show us where the bill would increase taxes on working class Americans.
Here is the Tax Policy Center's take on the bill. It would reduce income taxes for the bottom 4 quintiles and only increase income taxes on the top quintile.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/mod...-reconciliation-legislative-recommendations-9

 

[Wolverine]

Clearly she hasn't read it based on her claims. Either that or she is just outright lying.

The text of the bill can be found here.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5376/text

Please show us where the largest tax increase in history occurs in the bill.
Then show us where the bill would increase taxes on working class Americans.
Here is the Tax Policy Center's take on the bill. It would reduce income taxes for the bottom 4 quintiles and only increase income taxes on the top quintile.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/mod...-reconciliation-legislative-recommendations-9

Lots of new loopholes, and carve outs, and tax credits to the wealthy.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No, because as I have stated, 2.1 trillion in new taxes on working class Americans, not a tax on the wealthy, taxes middle class. Lots of new loopholes, and carve outs, and tax credits to the wealthy.

Right. You have stated but haven't pointed to any text in the bill doing what you claim.
According to the Tax Policy Center it reduces taxes on the majority of Americans including the middle class.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/mod...-reconciliation-legislative-recommendations-9

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Lots of new loopholes, and carve outs, and tax credits to the wealthy.

Care to name even one?

I notice you didn't point to a single tax increase in the bill that would be applied to the middle class.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

No, because as I have stated, 2.1 trillion in new taxes on working class Americans, not a tax on the wealthy, taxes middle class. Lots of new loopholes, and carve outs, and tax credits to the wealthy.

Since we haven't even seen the bill yet, we can't make that claim.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Looks like she has read the bill, and taken notes, have you? Since when are you a body shamer, that isn't very tolerant, or diverse or gentlemanly

Looks like- you are about as full of shit as Kat Cammack- if we are talking about what things "LOOKS LIKE"!

Based on what things look like- IT LOOKS LIKE KAT CAMMACK IS TAKING A SHIT!

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Highlights or should I say low light of this monstrosity.


9. 80 billion to the IRS for new agents






Source Congresswoman Kat Cammick

Let's look at this claim since it is a simple one.

Compare Cammick's claim to what is actually in the bill.

SEC. 138401. FUNDING OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.

In addition to amounts otherwise available, there are appropriated
for fiscal year 2022, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise
appropriated:
(1) $78,935,000,000, to remain available until September
30, 2031, for necessary expenses for the Internal Revenue
Service (IRS) for strengthening tax enforcement activities and
increasing voluntary compliance, expanding audits and other
enforcement activities, and modernizing information technology
to effectively support enforcement activities, except that no
use of these funds is intended to increase taxes on any
taxpayer with taxable income below $400,000;

First of all, it isn't really $80 billion. So one fudge there but what's wrong with being off by over a billion, I guess when it will make idiots like Wolverine slobber all over themselves.
Secondly the money is for use over the next 10 years so another fudge on Cammick's part.
Then we get to the lies. While the money can be used for more agents it is not specifically for more agents but actually mentions upgrading IT and other uses which would not be agents. So Cammick is clearly lying when she claims $80 billion is for more agents.
Then we get to the last part of the paragraph where it states that the money can't be used to increase taxes on anyone with an income under $400,000 which would seem to point to Cammick lying about increases in taxes on the middle class.

 

[Wolverine]

Right. You have stated but haven't pointed to any text in the bill doing what you claim.
According to the Tax Policy Center it reduces taxes on the majority of Americans including the middle class.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/mod...-reconciliation-legislative-recommendations-9

Do you understand that the millionaires in congress, are not going to pass any bill that asks them to pay more, without loopholes?

 

[Wolverine]

Let's look at this claim since it is a simple one.

Compare Cammick's claim to what is actually in the bill.



First of all, it isn't really $80 billion. So one fudge there but what's wrong with being off by over a billion, I guess when it will make idiots like Wolverine slobber all over themselves.
Secondly the money is for use over the next 10 years so another fudge on Cammick's part.
Then we get to the lies. While the money can be used for more agents it is not specifically for more agents but actually mentions upgrading IT and other uses which would not be agents. So Cammick is clearly lying when she claims $80 billion is for more agents.
Then we get to the last part of the paragraph where it states that the money can't be used to increase taxes on anyone with an income under $400,000 which would seem to point to Cammick lying about increases in taxes on the middle class.

for necessary expenses for the Internal Revenue
Service (IRS) for strengthening tax enforcement activities and
increasing voluntary compliance, expanding audits and other
enforcement activities,

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Do you understand that the millionaires in congress, are not going to pass any bill that asks them to pay more, without loopholes?

Your evasion still doesn't point to the exact language in the bill where you think these loopholes are.

Do you think Republicans in Congress will tell you the truth about what is in the bill? Clearly you do because you are parroting their stance without bothering to check it out. I don't rely on the word of Pelosi on what is in a bill. Why do you rely on Cammick?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

for necessary expenses for the Internal Revenue
Service (IRS) for strengthening tax enforcement activities and
increasing voluntary compliance, expanding audits and other
enforcement activities,

Some of that could be hiring more agents but it could be lots of other things too, new software, new computers, rewards for turning in tax cheats. Cammick said it was $80 billion for new agents. Her statement is not factually true. Do you think the bill has $80 billion for new agents when clearly it does not allocate $80 billion for new agents? Are you as stupid as Cammick? Or are you stupider because you fell for her lies?

 

[Wolverine]

Your evasion still doesn't point to the exact language in the bill where you think these loopholes are.

Do you think Republicans in Congress will tell you the truth about what is in the bill? Clearly you do because you are parroting their stance without bothering to check it out. I don't rely on the word of Pelosi on what is in a bill. Why do you rely on Cammick?

She has read it

 

[Wolverine]

Some of that could be hiring more agents but it could be lots of other things too, new software, new computers, rewards for turning in tax cheats. Cammick said it was $80 billion for new agents. Her statement is not factually true. Do you think the bill has $80 billion for new agents when clearly it does not allocate $80 billion for new agents? Are you as stupid as Cammick? Or are you stupider because you fell for her lies?

https://www.atr.org/biden-s-87000-new-irs-agents-will-generate-cash-democrat-campaign-coffers

 

[Nordberg]

She has read it

It has not been written yet.

 

[Wolverine]

It has not been written yet.

Then what are they voting on!

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Ramming it through is her job.

 

[Into the Night]

No, social security is not your money.

Yes it is.

Social security is the purest form of welfare.

It is unconstitutional, yes.

Your SS contributions were used to pay your elders when you were working.

Which means it's not welfare. It's a pyramid scheme.

And now, millennials and GenXers are being taxed to pay for your SS monthly checks.

Yup. It will collapse soon, too.

 

[Into the Night]

That is exactly how social welfare works.

You are taxed for the benefit of other people, for society as a whole, and for your own benefit if and when you need it.

The social contract and entire premise of social security is that working people will support retired people via taxation.

That is a pure form of social welfare.

Nope. A pyramid scheme is not 'pure welfare'.

 

[Into the Night]

Ramming it through is her job.

It is not her job to violate the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

Screw that, I didn't ask them to take it, they take it by force, and do not even pay me interest. IT'S MY MONEY

Correct. It is theft, followed by giving you back a pittance of what was taken.