Paul Ryan admits the GOP will gut Medicare and Medicaid to pay for tax cuts

signalmankenneth said:
You are not going to slash my social security to pay for this asinine tax cut for the rich?!! It suppose to pay for itself?

https://thinkprogress.org/paul-ryan-tax-cuts-medicare-medicaid-f87d810ad5b9/
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Yep, someone is gonna have to cover that 2 trillion in debt...

They told them it would pay for itself...:rofl2: Now the fools that supported it will get jacked...........:palm:
 
Flash said:
Removing the Social Security cap is not enough to fix the problem. You are spending as much on increased benefits that accompany increased contributions.
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You're right. One option is to remove the cap then means test it. However then it becomes more of a welfare type program and liberals don't want that because it would be easier to eventually cut
 
If the Repugnants cut Medicare the nation's elderly population will make them pay dearly for it.
 
Nomad said:
If the Repugnants cut Medicare the nation's elderly population will make them pay dearly for it.
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Yep. If they whine now about "illegals" and those dirty poor indigents overwhelming the nation's ERs and health care centers, wait till we grannies and gramps show up en masse. Wait till we're forced to go live with our kids and have them pay for our medical bills.... then the marches on DC will really begin.

The contards now are banking on the disgruntled current workers' anger at "supporting" us retired people. Let's face it, many of us are likely to live longer and collect more than we paid in to the system. So if we want to counter that, we need to start reminding our kids and our grandkids how their lives will be if mom and dad can't afford to live independently anymore, don't have Medicare or other funds to pay for assisted living, and come stay with them.

Somewhere in the middle is a workable solution. Those of us like my husband and I who have a good retirement income already could take a reduced SS monthly benefit, in order to help someone else who didn't earn all that much in their lifetime. Someone like us could pay, for instance, $50/month more for our Medicare so that someone else could afford theirs. If we appeal to people's better natures we might be able to work this out.

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cawacko said:
This is when it's easy to be a a liberal because you can say give everything to everyone, costs be damned, and you will be lauded for being compassionate.

Recognizing that programs are unsustainable in current forms and the need to fix them isn't saying screw everyone else.
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No one it being "given" anything.
Our taxes pay for medicare and social security.

Whether your health care is paid for out of pocket, payroll deduction by an employer, or by paying for it through taxes, it's all the same thing - you are paying for a service.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yep. If they whine now about "illegals" and those dirty poor indigents overwhelming the nation's ERs and health care centers, wait till we grannies and gramps show up en masse. Wait till we're forced to go live with our kids and have them pay for our medical bills.... then the marches on DC will really begin.

The contards now are banking on the disgruntled current workers' anger at "supporting" us retired people. Let's face it, many of us are likely to live longer and collect more than we paid in to the system. So if we want to counter that, we need to start reminding our kids and our grandkids how their lives will be if mom and dad can't afford to live independently anymore, don't have Medicare or other funds to pay for assisted living, and come stay with them.

Somewhere in the middle is a workable solution. Those of us like my husband and I who have a good retirement income already could take a reduced SS monthly benefit, in order to help someone else who didn't earn all that much in their lifetime. Someone like us could pay, for instance, $50/month more for our Medicare so that someone else could afford theirs. If we appeal to people's better natures we might be able to work this out.

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I'm hoping it would never come to that because the elderly voters would boot their asses out of office so fast just for considering it, it wouldn't have the chance to happen to begin with.
 
Nomad said:
I'm hoping it would never come to that because the elderly voters would boot their asses out of office so fast just for considering it, it wouldn't have the chance to happen to begin with.
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Because elderly voters don't care about the longevity of the program just that you get yours now?
 
Nomad said:
NO.

Because they aren't FUCKING STUPID.

The main thing Republicans count on out of their supporters.
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Ok. That doesn't change the fact the programs are in an unsustainable position. So if you only care about money yourself then sure, it doesn't matter. If you want to be around for the next generations sonethings going to have to give
 
cawacko said:
Ok. That doesn't change the fact the programs are in an unsustainable position. So if you only care about money yourself then sure, it doesn't matter. If you want to be around for the next generations sonethings going to have to give
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& your party will do everything in their power to see that they remain so...:palm:
 
Bill said:
& your party will do everything to see to it that they remain so...:palm:
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The status quo doesn't cut it. Raising the S.S. cap doesn't change it either without means testing. So democrats either should be out front with their recommendations or they may get something they don't like. But what they do today is pretend everything's ok and nothing needs to be done. Ignoring the problem isn't extending the program
 
cawacko said:
The status quo doesn't cut it. Raising the S.S. cap doesn't change it either without means testing. So democrats either should be out front with their recommendations or they may get something they don't like. But what they do today is pretend everything's ok and nothing needs to be done. Ignoring the problem isn't extending the program
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If nothing is done, Social Security will pay out the large majority of benefits.

A small fix - like removing the cap - will completely allow it to pay all benefits indefinitely.
 
Craig234 said:
If nothing is done, Social Security will pay out the large majority of benefits.

A small fix - like removing the cap - will completely allow it to pay all benefits indefinitely.
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Like 75%. What do you think people will say to that?

For the latter you'd have to means test it. I know you know what progressives think of that idea
 
cawacko said:
Ok. That doesn't change the fact the programs are in an unsustainable position. So if you only care about money yourself then sure, it doesn't matter. If you want to be around for the next generations sonethings going to have to give
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Stop handing out tax cuts to rich, greedy assholes who don't need them.

Start there first, then we can talk about slowing the growth of Medicare and Social Security a little bit.
 
Nomad said:
Stop handing out tax cuts to rich, greedy assholes who don't need them.

Start there first, then we can talk about slowing the growth of Medicare and Social Security a little bit.
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Ok. That doesn't change the realities of S.S. and Medicare.
 
cawacko said:
Like 75%. What do you think people will say to that?

For the latter you'd have to means test it. I know you know what progressives think of that idea
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No, you would not have to means test it.

What is the right's obsession with means testing?
 
cawacko said:
Ok. That doesn't change the realities of S.S. and Medicare.
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The realities of SS and Medicares is that SS is fine for many years to come and easily fixed after that, and massive amounts of savings are available if we go to single-payer.
 
Nomad said:
Stop handing out tax cuts to rich, greedy assholes who don't need them.
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I would assert that you should stop handing out other peoples money or I will shoot you and have you drawn and quartered with your head on a stick.
 
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