Party Takeover??

Mott the Hoople said:
If that's true then how comes they control the house of reps, will probably gain seats in the Senate (might even gain enough to control the Senate) and are running a tight race for the White House (which they'll probably lose but still.)? Dems might have an advantage with the popular vote but Repubs hold a substantial geographical advantage over Dems. So, yea Repubs need to work a hell of a lot harder towards being a big tent party and shed their image of being the party of plutocrats and angry white rednecks but their brand is hardly in the toilet.
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The republican brand is in the tloiet .. worst since Watergate.

Who said that?

Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) said in a couple of years ago. I simply borrowed his term.

Republicans won the House when democrats and the left, who were greatly disappointed in Obama stayed home.

I doubt if republicans will gain the Senate, particularly after throwing away Missouri with Akin.

If republicans were respected by more than republicans, they would be running away with this election given all Obama's failures.

The republican base is shrinking and the demographics demonstrate why republicans are so desperate.

Republicans are acting like it's the apocalypse because it is the apocalypse -- for them. President Obama doesn't pose a threat to democracy, Chait argues. But!


But the panicked strategic analysis, and the sense of urgency it gives rise to, is actually quite sound. The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction. Right-wing warnings of impending tyranny express, in hyperbolic form, well-grounded dread: that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests.

The numbers are startling: If demographic groups split the same way they did in 1988 -- but represented the portions of the electorate they did in 2008, Michael Dukakis would have won in a squeaker. Nonwhites will be a third of the electorate in 2020. The Republican base is shrinking. What to do? Treat this election like it's their "last chance," Chait writes. Since the 2010 elections, the Republican strategy has been pure obstruction, instead of investing in getting Latinos to like them more so they can win elections in the future, in order to make Obama unpopular enough that they can win back the White House and the Senate. Chait writes:


If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/poli...why-republicans-are-acting-so-suicidal/49447/
 
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If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all.
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Exactly. These are truly horrific people.
 
blackascoal said:
The republican brand is in the tloiet .. worst since Watergate.

Who said that?

Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) said in a couple of years ago. I simply borrowed his term.

Republicans won the House when democrats and the left, who were greatly disappointed in Obama stayed home.

I doubt if republicans will gain the Senate, particularly after throwing away Missouri with Akin.

If republicans were respected by more than republicans, they would be running away with this election given all Obama's failures.

The republican base is shrinking and the demographics demonstrate why republicans are so desperate.

Republicans are acting like it's the apocalypse because it is the apocalypse -- for them. President Obama doesn't pose a threat to democracy, Chait argues. But!


But the panicked strategic analysis, and the sense of urgency it gives rise to, is actually quite sound. The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction. Right-wing warnings of impending tyranny express, in hyperbolic form, well-grounded dread: that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests.

The numbers are startling: If demographic groups split the same way they did in 1988 -- but represented the portions of the electorate they did in 2008, Michael Dukakis would have won in a squeaker. Nonwhites will be a third of the electorate in 2020. The Republican base is shrinking. What to do? Treat this election like it's their "last chance," Chait writes. Since the 2010 elections, the Republican strategy has been pure obstruction, instead of investing in getting Latinos to like them more so they can win elections in the future, in order to make Obama unpopular enough that they can win back the White House and the Senate. Chait writes:


If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/poli...why-republicans-are-acting-so-suicidal/49447/
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Well we'll see. The next couple of election cycles should bear out whether the Republican brand is in the toilet or not. I suspect that it isn't. The fact that a Mormon moderate has won the parties nomination denotes a significant change in the direction of the GOP. Otherwise they would have nominated a cultural conservative like Rick Perry or Santorum.

Personally I think this is wishfull thinking on your part. If the Repelicans have to chose between adhering to a rigid ideology and being out of power or being pragmatist (and Romney is nothing else he's a pragmatist) they will chose pragmatism and stay in power.
 
Haiku said:
Can't argue with you here however I wonder, given this reality, why Romney is supported with so much Koch etc. money and dark money. What do you think that's about?
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American presidential elections are all about illusion good brother.

We exist in the Matrix.

More than a billion dollars will be spent on this election. Good for the plutocracy, disastrous for the American people.

It takes more than just a lot of money to be in the plutocracy .. and the Koch Brothers may well not be in it.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well we'll see. The next couple of election cycles should bear out whether the Republican brand is in the toilet or not. I suspect that it isn't. The fact that a Mormon moderate has won the parties nomination denotes a significant change in the direction of the GOP. Otherwise they would have nominated a cultural conservative like Rick Perry or Santorum.

Personally I think this is wishfull thinking on your part. If the Repelicans have to chose between adhering to a rigid ideology and being out of power or being pragmatist (and Romney is nothing else he's a pragmatist) they will chose pragmatism and stay in power.
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:0) I think you may be doing the wishful thinking brother.

Romney is just the last guy standing in a tremendously weak republican field.

The demographics bear out the truth .. self-identified republican registration is way down .. and no real republican thinker can avoid this truth.

If he loses .. all hell will break out among republican ranks.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I fear Ron Paul and his adoring but misguided Libertarians far, far more than I do a corporate droid like Romney. Romney though certainly will govern pro-business, pro-corporation and pro-1% will certainly govern competently and responsibly. That's far, far more than what you could say if an anarcho-libertarian were to ever reach the White House.
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ROFLMAO... you are such a tool of the establishment... a very well used tool.
 
WinterBorn said:
Exactly what part of Ron Paul's platform do you find scary?
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#1. He supports reverting back to the Gold Standard. #2. His support of the oxymoronic "fair tax". #3. His belief that social safety nets are unconstitutional. #3. His opposition to regulatory agencies, such as, The FDA, EPA and OSHA, which protect the public safety. #4. His support of sodomy laws (which I find incredibly hypocritical of him). #5. His opposition of womens reproductive rights (again, incredibly hypocritical of him). #6. His desire to end the Fed (an incredibly bad idea). #7. His opposition to moderninzing our health care system. #10. His foreign policy is wreckless and dangerous. #11. His racist and bigoted views. #11. His views on the legitimate function of government. #12. His plan to privitize security forces. #11. His call to eliminate capital gains and dividend taxes. #13. His desire to sell most if not all federal lands and assets. #14. His support to privatize social security. #15. His belief in laissez-faire capitalism. #16. His rejection of the seperation clause of the first ammendment. #16. His support of limiting unpopular forms of free speech. #17. He opposes network nuetrality. #18. He opposes campaign finance reform and supports Citizens United decision. #19. He opposes the census. #20. Opposes laws which protect women and workers from sexual harrasment. #21. He opposes same sex marriages and domestic partnership rights. #22. Believes civil rights are under the authority of the States and not the federal government. #23. He advocates abolishing public schools. #24. Opposes federal and state student aid and loans for college students. #25. He would eliminate the Department of Education. #26. He opposes federal funding of scientific and medical/health research including AIDs research. #27. He opposes SCHIP health insurance for low income children. #28. Opposes genetic information non-descrimination laws. #29. He opposes emergency medical laws which require physicians to treat patients in an emergency regardless of their ability to pay. #30. He supports laws which permit insurance companies to descriminate based on pre-existing conditions. #31. He would eliminate the right to sue for medical malpractice and would require binding arbitration. #32. He would eliminate medicare. #32. He believes VA hospitals should be phased out. #33. Opposes vaccinations programs. #34. He opposes the voters rights act and would eliminate this law. #34. He also opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would eliminate this law. #35 He opposes the electoral college. #36. He advocates the US withdrawing from the United Nations. #37. He supports free trade laws which outsource our jobs. #37. He opposed the raid which killed Osama bin Ladin.

Shall I continue?
 
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