Papadopoulos Urged to Withdraw Guilty Plea – Was Set Up By Deep State Spies

LV426 said:
Now you're just trying to conflate because that's the only strategy you have left in your empty bag of tricks.

You're the ones screeching about the dossier without showing how any of it is false. And besides, the dossier isn't what prompted the investigation; Papdopolous was, according to Nunes' own memo.




Illegally-acquired dirt. Trump's team knew Russia stole e-mails because Scavino tweeted about it on May 11th.

Then there's the e-mail exchange between Goldstone and Uday where they talk about those e-mails, confirming they're coming from the Russian government.

So:

1. Uday and Goldstone set up a meeting with Russia
2. Scavino tweets Russia has stolen e-mails
3. Wikileaks dumps those stolen e-mails a few weeks after the Trump Tower meeting, during the Democratic Convention

You have yet to prove that nothing came from the meeting at Trump Tower - a meeting Trump and his people denied even happened, then said it was about "adoptions", and are now saying nothing came from it. So that's two times the story changed. So since the story changed twice already, why would Trump or anyone from his team be telling the truth about what came from that meeting?
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I’m going to ask you one more time to prove Scientology has been proven wrong lol.

You’re also doing the Glenn Beck thing. I don’t need to prove anything, since I’m not the one making the accusations. If you think something nefarious went on at the meeting—even though not a single witness has testified to that, go for it.

And make is something that would convince a jury while you’re at it.
 
Darth Omar said:
I’m going to ask you one more time to prove Scientology has been proven wrong lol.
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So far, you guys have changed your story twice about the Trump Tower meeting:

1. You all denied it even happened.
2. Then you said it was about "adoptions"
3. Now you're saying nothing came from it.

So you've already changed the story twice about that meeting, so why wouldn't you also be lying about what came from that meeting?
 
Darth Omar said:
I don’t need to prove anythin
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AND THUS IS THE PROBLEM WITH CONSERVATIVES.

They think they don't have to be truthful, nor do they believe they have to prove any of the wild things they say.

This is just another form of astroturfing, no different from a Conservative claiming to be something then refusing to verify those personal claims.

It's so recognizable a pattern now, that I fully expect it out of every Conservative poster.

"Truth isn't truth" is their new motto.
 
noise said:
Sen. Lindsey Graham ripped the FBI this week over an alleged double standard in how the bureau handled a suspected Chinese spy on Sen. Dianne Feinstein's staff versus how it handled Russian contacts with Trump campaign advisers years later.

As revealed in recent press reports, the FBI briefed the Democratic senator about the alleged Chinese spy, who was then removed from her office.

By contrast, the bureau seemingly kept then-candidate Donald Trump in the dark on the Russia suspicions -- launching a case that would later be taken over by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

“Although I appreciate the FBI’s diligence in identifying the staffer with potential ties to the Chinese government and providing Senator Feinstein with a defensive briefing, I am deeply troubled that the Trump Campaign was not afforded the same treatment when the FBI began to suspect that campaign staffers George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort had improper ties to the Russian government,” Republican Sen. Graham, of South Carolina, wrote to FBI Director Christopher Wray.

“It appears that rather than provide then-candidate Donald Trump or Trump Campaign officials with a defensive briefing to inform them of the FBI’s concerns, the Bureau opted to use a confidential informant and a dossier funded by the Democratic National Committee to launch an unprecedented counterintelligence investigation into the Trump Campaign,” Graham continued.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-keeping-trump-in-dark-on-russians.amp.html
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Two very different situations.

Additionally it is not a cite as to your claim of protocol.
 
Darth Omar said:
All known evidence indicates the meeting was fruitless. How’s that lol?

The emails weren’t mentioned in the letter from Goldstone. The dirt on Hillary could have been any number of things—and not necessarily obtained illegally. If you want to impress me, prove beyond all doubt, the emails weren’t leaked.

Nothing illegal about talking to Russians—that’s all Russian contacts amount to. Sounds like Hillary had a few ‘Russian contacts’ that she paid Steele to talk to.

Though ‘Russian contacts’ does sound sexier lol.
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You do acknowledge that there is a LOT of unknown evidence at this point because Mueller has not released his findings, right?
 
Darth Omar said:
I’m not the one making the accusations
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But you are!

You're claiming the dossier is false.

You're claiming Clinton conspired with Russia to throw the election to Trump.

You're claiming nothing came from the Trump Tower meeting and you base that on...Uday's own word? Well, they all lied twice about that meeting already, so why wouldn't they also be lying about what came of it?
 
Darth Omar said:
If you think something nefarious went on at the meeting—even though not a single witness has testified to that, go for it.
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TRUMP AND THE CONSERVATIVES ALL CLAIMED THERE WAS NO CONTACT WITH RUSSIA.

Now you're saying there was.

So why deny it in the first place?
 
LV426 said:
You're arguing the dossier is fake, and that it served as the basis and trigger for the investigation except that:

1) Nothing from the dossier has been proven untrue so far.

and

2) Nunes' own memo says Papadopolous, not the dossier, was what triggered the investigation.
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But...But... But... Trump said its fake.
 
Darth Omar said:
And make is something that would convince a jury while you’re at it.
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So I notice how you are shifting goalposts here...you're trying to make this a litigious case when we're just debating it over a message board...a debate you are not honorably or honestly participating in anyway. So after showing the timeline, you decide to move the goalposts such that I need to prove to a jury (?) that you're full of shit.

What a cop-out. Why not just admit you're full of shit? Is your ego really that fragile?
 
LV426 said:
So I notice how you are shifting goalposts here...you're trying to make this a litigious case when we're just debating it over a message board...a debate you are not honorably or honestly participating in anyway. So after showing the timeline, you decide to move the goalposts such that I need to prove to a jury (?) that you're full of shit.

What a cop-out. Why not just admit you're full of shit? Is your ego really that fragile?
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Yes, and it is intuitively obvious to even the most casual of observers.
 
Jarod said:
Two very different situations.

Additionally it is not a cite as to your claim of protocol.
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FBI launched a probe into both. the situations are the same.
The fact Feinstein was afforded the courtesy, while Strzok & company did not, and instead used a phony FISA to spy on an American to gain access to the Trump campaign thru a back door
 
Irish said:
I don't even remember who this was. So many people to keep straight in the twilight zone of events.
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It's not that hard.

  • Papadopolous was approached by Russia, who claimed to have "dirt" on Clinton
  • Papadopolous told Trump and his superiors (Clovis, Sessions) about what Russia had
  • Scavino, a Trump campaign official, tweeted on May 11th, 2016 that Russia was in possession of stolen e-mails related to Clinton
  • Goldstone & Uday Trump arrange a meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians who had the stolen info
  • Uday, Manafort, and Kushner all meet with Russian lawyers at Trump Tower to discuss the "dirt" Russia had
  • Trump himself dictates a memo about the meeting, claiming it was about "adoptions" to hide what the meeting was truly about (hacked e-mails)
  • Wikileaks dumps those Russian-stolen e-mails during the Democratic Convention in a calculated political move to undermine the Democratic Party's attempt at unity
  • A couple days later, Trump goes on live TV and asks Russia to hack Clinton
  • That same day, Russia launches a spear-phishing campaign against Clinton's personal servers
  • At this time, Comey begins the FBI investigation of the Russian attacks
  • In January 2017, Trump is shown irrefutable evidence that Putin directly ordered the attacks
  • In May 2017, Trump fires Comey "because of Russia"

So not only did Trump's team break the law by soliciting "a thing of value" (stolen e-mails) from Russia, they also lied about having that meeting to the FBI and Mueller, lied about what the meeting was about, and are now trying to lie about what came from that meeting when they've given us zero reasons to trust in anything they say about it because they've changed the story about that meeting at least twice. Oh and also there's Obstruction of Justice all over this bitch; from making false statements to Congress to firing Comey "because of Russia".
 
noise said:
FBI launched a probe into both. the situations are the same.
The fact Feinstein was afforded the courtesy, while Strzok & company did not, and instead used a phony FISA to spy on an American to gain access to the Trump campaign thru a back door
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Nothing about the FISA warrant was phony. It was approved by multiple judges. Whether or not the dossier was involved doesn't matter because the investigation was triggered by Papadopolous being unable to keep his mouth shut.
 
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