What from the Steele Dossier has been proven untrue? Nothing so far as I've seen. And to attack the DOJ and FBI processes just belies a guilty conscience.
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Papadopoulos Urged to Withdraw Guilty Plea – Was Set Up By Deep State Spies
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What from the Steele Dossier has been proven untrue? Nothing so far as I've seen. And to attack the DOJ and FBI processes just belies a guilty conscience.
Sen. Lindsey Graham ripped the FBI this week over an alleged double standard in how the bureau handled a suspected Chinese spy on Sen. Dianne Feinstein's staff versus how it handled Russian contacts with Trump campaign advisers years later.Please cite your claim about protocol, I don't think you give a heads up to someone who might tell the subject.
As revealed in recent press reports, the FBI briefed the Democratic senator about the alleged Chinese spy, who was then removed from her office.
By contrast, the bureau seemingly kept then-candidate Donald Trump in the dark on the Russia suspicions -- launching a case that would later be taken over by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
“Although I appreciate the FBI’s diligence in identifying the staffer with potential ties to the Chinese government and providing Senator Feinstein with a defensive briefing, I am deeply troubled that the Trump Campaign was not afforded the same treatment when the FBI began to suspect that campaign staffers George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort had improper ties to the Russian government,” Republican Sen. Graham, of South Carolina, wrote to FBI Director Christopher Wray.
“It appears that rather than provide then-candidate Donald Trump or Trump Campaign officials with a defensive briefing to inform them of the FBI’s concerns, the Bureau opted to use a confidential informant and a dossier funded by the Democratic National Committee to launch an unprecedented counterintelligence investigation into the Trump Campaign,” Graham continued.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-keeping-trump-in-dark-on-russians.amp.html
“It appears that rather than provide then-candidate Donald Trump or Trump Campaign officials with a defensive briefing to inform them of the FBI’s concerns, the Bureau opted to use a confidential informant and a dossier funded by the Democratic National Committee to launch an unprecedented counterintelligence investigation into the Trump Campaign,” Graham continued.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-keeping-trump-in-dark-on-russians.amp.html
Nunes' own memo says the investigation was triggered by Papadopolouos, not the Steele Dossier.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Here's the problem with this:
1. There's no evidence that shows the Trump Tower meeting was "fruitless"
2. Trump's team knew the e-mails offered by Russia came from the Russian government and were illegally obtained
3. The e-mails Russia shared with Trump were the ones Wikileaks dumped during the Democratic Convention
4. Trump and his team denied having any contact with Russia at all, despite over 70 contacts and 20 meetings.
All known evidence indicates the meeting was fruitless. How’s that lol?
The emails weren’t mentioned in the letter from Goldstone. The dirt on Hillary could have been any number of things—and not necessarily obtained illegally. If you want to impress me, prove beyond all doubt, the emails weren’t leaked.
Nothing illegal about talking to Russians—that’s all Russian contacts amount to. Sounds like Hillary had a few ‘Russian contacts’ that she paid Steele to talk to.
Though ‘Russian contacts’ does sound sexier lol.
All known evidence indicates the meeting was fruitless. How’s that lol?
What evidence is that? The e-mails discussed at that meeting were later released during the Democratic Convention. So it would seem the meeting wasn't "fruitless" since the subject of those meetings was released through Wikileaks a few weeks after the meeting at Trump Tower. The meeting that a) didn't happen, except that it did and was supposedly for b) "adoptions", but it was c) really about the e-mails Russia hacked and d) strategizing their release in the coming weeks.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
What from the Steele Dossier has been proven untrue? Nothing so far as I've seen. And to attack the DOJ and FBI processes just belies a guilty conscience.
Enough of the ‘not proven untrue’ nonsense.
Any number of nonsensical things have ‘not been proven untrue’ starting with Scientology. If they used the ‘not proven untrue’ Dossier as a basis to spy on an innocent US citizen—someone needs to be charged with a crime.
What are they waiting on?
The emails weren’t mentioned in the letter from Goldstone. The dirt on Hillary could have been any number of things—and not necessarily obtained illegally. If you want to impress me, prove beyond all doubt, the emails weren’t leaked.
Here's Goldstone's exact words:
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Drumpf campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Drumpf - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
And we know it was the stolen e-mails because Dan Scavino, a Trump campaign official, said so in a tweet on May 11th, 2016, about 3 weeks before the Trump Tower meeting.
Dan Scavino
May 11th, 2016 5:44PM
Kremlin has Hillary’s emails. Russia has 20,000 emails stolen from her secret home server. @IngrahamAngle #Trump2016
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Nothing illegal about talking to Russians—that’s all Russian contacts amount to. Sounds like Hillary had a few ‘Russian contacts’ that she paid Steele to talk to.
First of all, yes, it is illegal.
Secondly, they knew Russia was in possession of stolen e-mails because Scavino tweeted that on May 11th, 2016.
Thirdly, Trump and the Conservatives all said "no contact with Russia". Now you're saying they did have contact with Russia, but it didn't amount to anything. Well, you already changed your story once to cover for the lie of not having contact with Russia, so why wouldn't you also be lying about what came from those contacts -contacts you all denied even happened?
Enough of the ‘not proven untrue’ nonsense
You say the Dossier is fake.
So what about it is fake, then?
Any number of nonsensical things have ‘not been proven untrue’ starting with Scientology. If they used the ‘not proven untrue’ Dossier as a basis to spy on an innocent US citizen—someone needs to be charged with a crime.
You say the dossier is fake, yet you offer no evidence to support that claim.
So you're just saying it's fake so you don't have to accept any of its conclusions.
What a loser.
What are they waiting on?
Patience, young padwan.
These things take time.
It took two years to bring down Nixon and that was just a conspiracy involving Americans. This is a conspiracy involving a hostile foreign government that seems to have its tentacles in every Conservative institution there is.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Here's Goldstone's exact words:
And we know it was the stolen e-mails because Dan Scavino, a Trump campaign official, tweeted on May 11th 2016 that Russia was in possession of stolen e-mails.
Dan Scavino
May 11th, 2016 5:44PM
Do you have anyone who attended the meeting on record saying the emails were discussed?
And when is someone going to be charged with going to the FISA court on a document that was only ‘not proven untrue’?
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You say the Dossier is fake.
So what about it is fake, then?
Nice try lol.
Prove Scientology ‘is untrue’.
Do you have anyone who attended the meeting on record saying the emails were discussed?
YES! Trump Jr. That's who Goldstone's e-mails were to.
And when is someone going to be charged with going to the FISA court on a document that was only ‘not proven untrue’?
The dossier wasn't what triggered the investigation. Even Nunes says so.
And what from the dossier has been proven untrue? Nothing.
Nice try lol.
You're arguing the dossier is fake, and that it served as the basis and trigger for the investigation except that:
1) Nothing from the dossier has been proven untrue so far.
and
2) Nunes' own memo says Papadopolous, not the dossier, was what triggered the investigation.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Patience, young padwan.
These things take time.
It took two years to bring down Nixon and that was just a conspiracy involving Americans. This is a conspiracy involving a hostile foreign government that seems to have its tentacles in every Conservative institution there is.
It’s a conspiracy to ‘stop Trump’ that was hatched on the Seventh Floor in 2016.
It won’t take an SP two years to get to the bottom of it either.
It’s a conspiracy to ‘stop Trump’ that was hatched on the Seventh Floor in 2016.
So they all conspired to throw the election to Trump so they could then spend the next two years investigating him?
It won’t take an SP two years to get to the bottom of it either.
Because your conspiracy theory never happened.
What did happen was:
- Russia reached out to Papadopolous saying they had dirt on Clinton
- Papadopolous told Trump of that in March 2016
- Uday and Goldstone worked to set the meeting up
- Scavino tweeted on May 11th, 2016 that Russia was in possession of stolen e-mails
- Trump Tower meeting that included Manafort, Kushner, and Uday was in June 2016
- July 2017 was when Wikileaks dumped the e-mails during the Democratic Convention
- A couple days after that, Trump went on TV and asked Russia for help.
- Around that same time, Comey began the FBI investigation of Russian attacks
- In January 2017, Trump was shown evidence that Putin directly and personally ordered the attacks
- Trump fired Comey in May 2017 "because of Russia"
- Mueller was then appointed Special Counsel