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leaningright said:
I would say that your statement is partly right but not mostly right. The "southern strategy" is geared more at religious-ism than racism, IMO. Run a Michael Steele, J.C. Watts, etc. as a candidate in a national election and see how much support they get from the white folks in the South against almost any democratic candidate.

That being said, I think a lot of religious folks, myself included, are seeing through this "strategy" and seeing a lot of republican political figures for what they are......hypocrites. Thus their waning support throughout the south and midwest. Though they are still winning in the South and midwest the margin of victory is getting narrower and narrower......and I think the trend will continue.
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I would agree with you that religion is the direction the southern strategy is mostly fueled by now, but it wasn't when it began .. and it still retains the stence of racism. Additionally, oftentimes there is a very thin line between southern style religion and racism. Religion has always been the cover for racism in the south .. look no further than the klan.

The margin of victory for republicans/dixiecrats in the south is narrowing because the demographics are changing. Soon even states like Georgia and South Carolina will no longer be majority white .. but that's also true of many US states. By 2024 the country will no longer be majority white.

The message of republicans appeals to white people, white men specifically.

The handwriting is on the wall.
 
blackascoal said:
The margin of victory for republicans/dixiecrats in the south is narrowing because the demographics are changing. Soon even states like Georgia and South Carolina will no longer be majority white .. but that's also true of many US states. By 2024 the country will no longer be majority white.

The handwriting is on the wall.
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The demographics are changing..........and people are becoming less religious. I am currently in the middle of a book of research demonstrating this fact. The South will no longer be a republican stronghold......and their grip on the midwest is lessening as well.
 
evince said:
But isnt Steel going to Hip hop ize the GOP?

Man that guy is turning out to be a real Loon.
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Nah......he's not a loon. He's just trying something that hasn't been tried before. I predict he'll be good for the republicans.
 
leaningright said:
Nah......he's not a loon. He's just trying something that hasn't been tried before. I predict he'll be good for the republicans.
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He seems to be working on a re-branding effort when the problem is that the product sucks ass. I don't think that will work out all that well in the end but I'm not one to give advice to Republicans.
 
leaningright said:
The demographics are changing..........and people are becoming less religious. I am currently in the middle of a book of research demonstrating this fact. The South will no longer be a republican stronghold......and their grip on the midwest is lessening as well.
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The use of the internet also keeps people from living in geographical bubbles and people from the south (like watermark) have much more contact with all regions than they had in the past.

If someone does not wrestle the GOP name and image from the Palin, Plummer,Steel nutbags the party will cease to exsist in a few years. Maybe Jindal can do it but I'm not sure.
 
evince said:
The use of the internet also keeps people from living in geographical bubbles and people from the south (like watermark) have much more contact with all regions than they had in the past.

If someone does not wrestle the GOP name and image from the Palin, Plummer,Steel nutbags the party will cease to exsist in a few years. Maybe Jindal can do it but I'm not sure.
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Steele is a 'nutbag' because he tried to inject some hipness into the GOP? Yes I saw what he said and I had to shake my head but how does that make him a nutbag for trying to make the GOP more inclusive?
 
cawacko said:
Steele is a 'nutbag' because he tried to inject some hipness into the GOP? Yes I saw what he said and I had to shake my head but how does that make him a nutbag for trying to make the GOP more inclusive?
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Steele is charismatic and enigmatic enough to rally the GOP. He understands the need to raise money and to catch up to the use of technology as a means to do so. Further he gets it that the GOP must get back to the idea of smaller government, pro-business, personal responsibility, and catering to Middle America sympathies. I think he'll do great.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Steele is charismatic and enigmatic enough to rally the GOP. He understands the need to raise money and to catch up to the use of technology as a means to do so. Further he gets it that the GOP must get back to the idea of smaller government, pro-business, personal responsibility, and catering to Middle America sympathies. I think he'll do great.
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I'm a fan of his as well. He also isn't the first old guy trying to act young and be hip. As with most who try it does not come off well. But how does that make him a "nutbag"? I guess that is a rhetorical question because the poster who called him that thinks every Republican is a 'nutbag'.
 
cawacko said:
I'm a fan of his as well. He also isn't the first old guy trying to act young and be hip. As with most who try it does not come off well. But how does that make him a "nutbag"? I guess that is a rhetorical question because the poster who called him that thinks every Republican is a 'nutbag'.
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I missed his attempt at being "hip" can you point me to a viewing source?
 
cawacko said:
I like the concept of what he's trying to do here and it is much needed. But the "off the hook" comment comes across (to me) as trying a little too hard. Nothing wrong with it but kind of funny when older folk use slang terms.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/19/steele-gop-needs-hip-hop-makeover/
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Steele was raised by a mom who worked as a laundress and refused welfare, because, as she stated she "did not want the government ransing her children". Did you know that his sister used to be married to Mike Tyson, I didn't?

I read what he said and I really think it's "much ado about nothing" and only getting print because he's a black republican.
 
cawacko said:
Alright but if Holder is claiming black and white Americans don't interact on the weekends and outside of work what does that have to do with political parties? If I as a white person am hanging out with a black person on a Saturday for fun and we decide to have a discussion on race I'm not coming at him as a "Republican" I'm talking to him from my personal perspective. He/She and I can discuss racial issues such as AA or other more 'controversial' racial topics but does it have to be from a political party perspective? Just my opinion but the minute political parties gets brought up it turns into a partisan argument like most threads on this board. I assume that's not what Holder was aiming for with his comments.
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No, I don't think it was either. I think it was about having an honest dialogue. That's where the fear comes in. I don't want to offend or alienate my friends (and now family via marriage) of color. It's difficult to bring up this topic in conversational tones with out creating tension or bringing up hard feelings. It's also hard to walk in someone else shoes and relate to their perspective. So why bring it up when your hanging with friends, watching the ball game or eating dinner together? That does takes courage.

I do have the opportunity to hear "Over the dinner table" discussions of race with my in-laws, but that usually happens when they kinda forget I'm sitting at the table (which is good that they do as it means they accept me). But when that does happen it I usually just do my best to STFU and listen to what they have to say and try to use my limited imagination to see things from their point of view (that aint easy!). However, when they finally do remember the white guy in the middle of the room they usually don't reach out to me with dialogue but with sensitivity from fear of offending me.

This is such an incredibly hard subject so it is understandable why we would rather be polite than courageous.

On the other hand Rodney King put it most eloquently and with great wisdom when in his anguish he said. "Can't we just all get along?" It's really just that simple isn't it?
 
blackascoal said:
I would agree with you that religion is the direction the southern strategy is mostly fueled by now, but it wasn't when it began .. and it still retains the stence of racism. Additionally, oftentimes there is a very thin line between southern style religion and racism. Religion has always been the cover for racism in the south .. look no further than the klan.

The margin of victory for republicans/dixiecrats in the south is narrowing because the demographics are changing. Soon even states like Georgia and South Carolina will no longer be majority white .. but that's also true of many US states. By 2024 the country will no longer be majority white.

The message of republicans appeals to white people, white men specifically.

The handwriting is on the wall.
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You know you're right but what is scary is that if Republicans could harnass that white male fear with governance policies that actually worked then the Republican party wouldn't be in as much trouble as they are presently in.
 
evince said:
But isnt Steel going to Hip hop ize the GOP?

Man that guy is turning out to be a real Loon.
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I don't think so. I don't think you understand the differences in the African American community in the North vs South. In the south the African American community is much more rural, suburban and small town based and conservative. In the north it is much more urban.
 
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