OWS movement: We've seen this before!

Yurt said:
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says the guy who thinks our invasion of iraq is genocide
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It is genocide.
We killed a signicant percentage of the population of a country, in nondefensive actions.
We have been committing Genocide in the M.E. for 10 consecutive years now.
It meets all the criteria for genocide.
 
Return of Dune said:
Yes, his opinions are well thought out and methodically expressed.
However, most of the "facts" he thinks about are incorrect.
His resulting assumptions border on insanity,
and he is completely incapable of seeing where he is wrong,
in other words, learning.
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DUNE
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It's not genocide if they are Muslims, they deserved it for living in the same continent as al Qaeda. Ask the Internet lawyer yurtsie
 
Bfgrn said:
Opinions are like armpits; everyone has them, but most of them stink. This IS a political forum, so when we debate America's problems and how to solve them, we NEED to start with the truth. The words of other people DO add credibility. They reinforce and/or prove an argument. Especially if they are someone who has diligently investigated an issue or has inside information. That ADDS credibility. When David Frum, a Republican, admitted Republicans made a strategic decision at the start of the health care debate: 'to make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. They were going for all the marbles. To hand Obama his Waterloo', it destroys the credibility of Republicans and makes all there claims (death panels, govt takeover) empty and contrived.

Knowledge is not something that magically ascends on you. You need to seek it out. You need to know where to look for it and you need to be able to decide if it is credible.

These issues are important to me, because people's health, well being and their very lives are the stakes. I want my children and grandchildren to live in a country that is civil, compassionate and has a large dose of human capital in our policies, laws and patriotism.

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
President John F. Kennedy
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Some of what you say is right. But remember what you were taught at school/college/university. Had you been in the UK certainly, you would have been taught to 'P E E' which stands for 'Point', 'Evidence', 'Explain'. Make your point, supply evidence and explain that evidence. No one, or very few people share the exact opinion of someone else (unless it is extremely simple, like 'ManU is the best football team in the world' and even then the reasons differ from supporter to supporter).
You would not use someone else's work to get a good mark at school, why use someone else's work to gain points on a debating forum. Even the most expert of men can be wrong. Einstein is now under question!!
Most visitors to this forum I would guess, want to know what YOU think, they probably already know what thepeople you quote think.
If we start with a proven truth then there can be no rational debate. One debates opinions, not truths. (Although Dixie might be an exception to that rule!!)
 
apple0154 said:
Also, when companies go bankrupt often suppliers are cheated. For example, an installer would order 50 windows and pay for half and tell the supplier they would pay for the rest as they received the money from installations. They install all the windows and fold. The supplier never gets paid.

Why can't the supplier sue the installer if the installer has a home? A private car?

The point is people can open businesses and if the business goes bankrupt they still keep all the money they made from the business. Why? Why are people allowed to open businesses ranging from roofing to hair salons without any qualifications?

As I said before the capitalist system is, or is becoming, a system where people just grab what they can and that's going to change. There will be a new world order. It's coming. :)
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The only "New World Order" that is coming, is one where stupid people like you are laughed at.
OH-WAIT, we're already doing that.
 
Return of Dune said:
It is genocide.
We killed a signicant percentage of the population of a country, in nondefensive actions.
We have been committing Genocide in the M.E. for 10 consecutive years now.
It meets all the criteria for genocide.
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You're an idiot.
If we had been committing genocide in the ME, for 10 years; there would be no one left in the ME to commit said gencide against.
 
Lowaicue said:
Some of what you say is right. But remember what you were taught at school/college/university. Had you been in the UK certainly, you would have been taught to 'P E E' which stands for 'Point', 'Evidence', 'Explain'. Make your point, supply evidence and explain that evidence. No one, or very few people share the exact opinion of someone else (unless it is extremely simple, like 'ManU is the best football team in the world' and even then the reasons differ from supporter to supporter).
You would not use someone else's work to get a good mark at school, why use someone else's work to gain points on a debating forum. Even the most expert of men can be wrong. Einstein is now under question!!
Most visitors to this forum I would guess, want to know what YOU think, they probably already know what thepeople you quote think.
If we start with a proven truth then there can be no rational debate. One debates opinions, not truths. (Although Dixie might be an exception to that rule!!)
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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

First of all, let's start with a 'truth'. Freak's criticism is solely intended to slander. It is not an act of good faith or accurate. I express my opinion here. And when I do post an excerpt from an article, it IS still MY opinion (point). I seek out Evidence. The article serves as Evidence and helps Explain MY opinion. If I am guilty of anything, it is that I hate typing and I am not proficient at it.

I have expressed this before. We can't debate opinions, because we are always debating the truth. The right in America is totally brainwashed, they have opinions based on know-nothingisms.

I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.
 
Superfreak said:
ROFLMAO.... wow, you are truly desperate. Walker is NOT a dictator, no matter how many times you stomp your feet and no matter how long you hold your breath and pout.

Fucking idiot.
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My, my! We are getting cranky, aren't we. :)

You tried to justify Walker's actions based on him being democratically elected. That does not justify a person's actions which I have shown.

Before you say something stupid, think!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then your entire complaint was just bitching, for the sake of getting some attention!
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I see you still haven't addressed your inability to comprehend.

The point was to show what happens. My personal experience was used as an example. It was not the main focus of the post.

Do try to work on your comprehension abilities.
 
Lowaicue said:
Some of what you say is right. But remember what you were taught at school/college/university. Had you been in the UK certainly, you would have been taught to 'P E E' which stands for 'Point', 'Evidence', 'Explain'. Make your point, supply evidence and explain that evidence. No one, or very few people share the exact opinion of someone else (unless it is extremely simple, like 'ManU is the best football team in the world' and even then the reasons differ from supporter to supporter).
You would not use someone else's work to get a good mark at school, why use someone else's work to gain points on a debating forum. Even the most expert of men can be wrong. Einstein is now under question!!
Most visitors to this forum I would guess, want to know what YOU think, they probably already know what thepeople you quote think.
If we start with a proven truth then there can be no rational debate. One debates opinions, not truths. (Although Dixie might be an exception to that rule!!)
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Exactly. We can all do a google search and see what others think. I have no problems with people linking to articles/data etc... that supports their position. But simply cutting and pasting large articles without providing an explanation as to WHY you think the link/article/data supports what you are saying is simply useless in a debate forum.
 
Bfgrn said:
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

First of all, let's start with a 'truth'. Freak's criticism is solely intended to slander.
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Do point to the criticism of mine that was slander Bfgrn.

It is not an act of good faith or accurate. I express my opinion here. And when I do post an excerpt from an article, it IS still MY opinion (point). I seek out Evidence. The article serves as Evidence and helps Explain MY opinion. If I am guilty of anything, it is that I hate typing and I am not proficient at it.
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If all you are going to do is cut and paste, refuse to answer questions, and then resort to a 'I am not good at typing' as an excuse, then WHY are you here? You serve no purpose if you refuse to answer questions and all you do is paste lengthy articles that 90% of the time don't address the questions posed to you.

I have expressed this before. We can't debate opinions, because we are always debating the truth.
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We can't debate opinions? That is nonsense. Your sense of 'truth' is truly warped.

The right in America is totally brainwashed, they have opinions based on know-nothingisms.
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Speaking of SLANDER. The above is simply pure nonsense. We know you are a far left wing nut based on 'your' positions (aka, the links you post). But you are every bit as brainwashed/beholden to your ideology as those on the far right. I think THAT is the better explanation of why you don't post your own thoughts/answers. Because you don't have any that aren't provided by some left wing nut source.

I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.
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LMAO... you love that stupid fucking quote. Obviously Fox is biased, but no more than MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NY Times, LA Times etc... a point you continually fail to grasp.
 
apple0154 said:
My, my! We are getting cranky, aren't we. :)

You tried to justify Walker's actions based on him being democratically elected. That does not justify a person's actions which I have shown.

Before you say something stupid, think!
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You truly are a moron. You ignore everything else I wrote on Walker and pretend it didn't exist. Walker was democratically elected. He did what he stated he would do during his campaign. The LEGISLATURE passed the law... hence he cannot be a dictator. LEARN the definitions of the words you use prior to using them. That might help you avoid looking so retarded.
 
Superfreak said:
You truly are a moron. You ignore everything else I wrote on Walker and pretend it didn't exist. Walker was democratically elected. He did what he stated he would do during his campaign. The LEGISLATURE passed the law... hence he cannot be a dictator. LEARN the definitions of the words you use prior to using them. That might help you avoid looking so retarded.
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Hello???? Anyone home? Do you think dictators don't have people under them who agree with what they do?

Talk about retarded.
 
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