OWS movement: We've seen this before!

If it happened, explain how it happened, since I explained how it's virtually impossible it could have happened? You attended a Home Fair... who sponsored the Home Fair? Did they do a thorough screening of the businesses involved, or did they just let anyone with a rusty truck and hammer in the thing? Who was in charge of that? What was the name of the bonding company who backed this installer? What did the window manufacturer have to say about authorizing someone like this to install their product? Did you contact the SBA or BBB about this, if so, what did they have to say? Why didn't you take the business to small claims court? Until you start answering some pertinent questions here, there is no way to believe your story, it has far too many holes in it. We're a consumer-driven nation, and as such, we have a plethora of consumer-based protections built in to the system. Your story doesn't account for any of them, and you seem to presume we live in 1911 America and not 2011.

Why would a company stop someone from buying windows? Do you think the company gives a damn who buys the windows, whether it's an individual or a business?

The Home Show allows any company to set up a stand if they pay for the space.

There was no bonding company. That's my point. Once a business goes bankrupt there is no redress. I'm talking about a two or three man operation. Anyone can open a "business" saying they install windows or fix roofs or cut hair or serve food or do lawn maintenance or.....

Now do you understand?
 
Wow that really does sound like the religious right today, many of whom populate the teaparty of course. The teaparty is not a libertarian movement.

That's pretty stunning in fact.
 
Except the tenets, orthodoxy and beliefs are diametrically opposite.

The Soviet Union even had their own 'tea party' in the late 1980's. A tea party of Stalinists.

When the ‘tea partiers’ say “we want our country back”, what do they mean by ‘our’?

What polls show us about the ‘tea party’ is that they are a fringe group diametrically opposed to mainstream America. Among all Americans, George W. Bush has a 27/58 positive/negative favorable rating. Among the ‘tea party’ he's viewed favorably, 57/27. An almost perfect diametrical difference.

Is there any precedent in history of today’s the ‘tea party’?

The answer is YES…a parallel to the 'Tea Party" occurred in Russia in the late 1980's. Russian conservatives, the Stalinists, wanted 'their' country back. It was an alliance including xenophobic fringe groups and nationalists who yearned for what they saw as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

And like today’s ‘tea partiers’, they wanted their authoritarian government back.
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February 27, 1989

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

MOSCOW, Feb. 26— Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

While many candidates and voters say they view the elections to the new Congress of Deputies as a way to further the candor and freedoms allowed by the Soviet leader, conservatives in this city and around the country were boasting last week that they had already succeeded in blocking the nomination of several prominent people regarded as liberals.

A Disparate Alliance

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists''

'I Am a Stalinist'

''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

Kira A. Korneyenkova was at the rally last Sunday outside the Ostankino Television Center, and she joined several hundred other people in enthusiastic cheers as speaker after speaker called for a fight against ''liberal, Zionist forces'' that seek to control Soviet society.

''I am a Stalinist,'' the 53-year-old schoolteacher said proudly, ''and I think our so-called glasnost has divided our nation. It is our duty to fight against such elements.''

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev's Policies

HERE HE IS TO SAVE THE DAY!
HE CUTS AND PASTES AND RUNS AWAY!
 
NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! ...Keep repeating that over and over until it sinks into your empty cranium, DUMBSHIT!

American TEA Party Conservatives believe in FREE markets... FREE enterprise... FREEdom! They believe in the CONSTITUTION which guarantees FREEDOM (NOT AUTHORITARIAN RULE)! They believe in states rights... not authoritarian dictation of what states WILL do! They believe in LESS Government intrusion into our lives and MORE personal responsibility. Across the board, everything an American Conservative believes is the antithesis of Communism. While we see these miscreants in OWS, touting Maoist and Communist philosophy, like it's the Holy Grail!

HORSESHIT!!!

You right wing turds TALK about FREE markets... FREE enterprise... FREEdom...THEN, when an authoritarian dictator like Scott Walker takes control of Wisconsin, there is NO FREEdom. Just dictatorial rule, and you right wing turds lick it up.
 
HORSESHIT!!!

You right wing turds TALK about FREE markets... FREE enterprise... FREEdom...THEN, when an authoritarian dictator like Scott Walker takes control of Wisconsin, there is NO FREEdom. Just dictatorial rule, and you right wing turds lick it up.

ROFLMAO.... he is a democratically elected leader who did what the public wanted him to do. You can call him a 'dictator' all you like, but we all know it is just because you are butthurt that the unions got put back into the position of actually having to collectively BARGAIN for their raises rather than just bribe their way to extra money and bene's.
 
Why would a company stop someone from buying windows? Do you think the company gives a damn who buys the windows, whether it's an individual or a business?

Because of the scenario you just described, dumbass! Their reputation is on the line! Any company that produces a product which requires installation in your home, is going to have "authorized dealers" who are qualified to install the product to the standards set by the manufacturer.

The Home Show allows any company to set up a stand if they pay for the space.

Then again, it is some fly-by-night operation that just doesn't give a shit about their reputation, and you shouldn't have attended, you should have lodged a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Again, I ask you, WHO SPONSORED THIS HOME SHOW? That's the FIRST entity you have a legitimate complaint with! I've been involved with all kinds of trade fairs and expos, and not a single one has ever just let in anyone who paid for space, you have to show credentials, you have to be bonded, licensed and legitimate. There is too much at stake with regard to the reputation of the host, for this not to be the case.

There was no bonding company. That's my point. Once a business goes bankrupt there is no redress. I'm talking about a two or three man operation. Anyone can open a "business" saying they install windows or fix roofs or cut hair or serve food or do lawn maintenance or.....

Now do you understand?

No, I don't understand. I know of dozens of contractors who do business everyday, and they ALL have to be bonded! If you work on someone's home, you have to be, or you won't get jobs. If I am looking for someone to do some work on my home, that is the FIRST question I ask them... are you bonded... 100% of the time, if they have a number in the phone book, they ARE!

And no, you simply CAN'T just start fixing roofs, cutting hair, or serving food, without meeting certain standards and requirements, it isn't realistic, and it's just not the case. You must obtain a license to do any of these things, and that requires being bonded. In addition, if you serve food, you must pass health inspections as well... if you install roofs, they must adhere to building codes... we have an entire system for all of these things... like I said, it's 2011, not 1911.
 
ROFLMAO.... he is a democratically elected leader who did what the public wanted him to do. You can call him a 'dictator' all you like, but we all know it is just because you are butthurt that the unions got put back into the position of actually having to collectively BARGAIN for their raises rather than just bribe their way to extra money and bene's.

Hundreds of thousands of citizens don't ascend on the capital because Walker did what people wanted him to do. He never TOLD the people what he was going to do.
 
Hundreds of thousands of citizens don't ascend on the capital because Walker did what people wanted him to do. He never TOLD the people what he was going to do.

They do if the unions bus them in from neighboring states. Oh, and he DID tell the people what he was going to do, that's why he was elected.
 
Hundreds of thousands of citizens don't ascend on the capital because Walker did what people wanted him to do. He never TOLD the people what he was going to do.

LMAO.... So, 2% of the population of WI (assuming that everyone at the capital was FROM WI.... which is a BIG assumption) go to the capital and you think that means the people didn't want his plan to go through?

You obviously didn't pay attention to the elections since then. The voters once again spoke. Giving the Reps continued control of the Senate. Electing a Supreme that would uphold the law passed by the LEGISLATURE of WI (despite the cowardly actions of the Dems).

As for never 'telling the people'... he said he was going to clean up the budget. Which is what he is doing. Did Obama tell us everything he was going to do? No. No politician does. But the President, like the Governor.... is not a dictator, he must get his ideas passed by the LEGISLATURE.

So again, you are completely foolish to proclaim Walker a dictator.

A dictator is like Saddam in Iraq, Hugo in Venzuela, Castro in Cuba (who used cold blooded murderers like Che to further his 'cause')... THOSE are dictators.
 
Because of the scenario you just described, dumbass! Their reputation is on the line! Any company that produces a product which requires installation in your home, is going to have "authorized dealers" who are qualified to install the product to the standards set by the manufacturer.



Then again, it is some fly-by-night operation that just doesn't give a shit about their reputation, and you shouldn't have attended, you should have lodged a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Again, I ask you, WHO SPONSORED THIS HOME SHOW? That's the FIRST entity you have a legitimate complaint with! I've been involved with all kinds of trade fairs and expos, and not a single one has ever just let in anyone who paid for space, you have to show credentials, you have to be bonded, licensed and legitimate. There is too much at stake with regard to the reputation of the host, for this not to be the case.



No, I don't understand. I know of dozens of contractors who do business everyday, and they ALL have to be bonded! If you work on someone's home, you have to be, or you won't get jobs. If I am looking for someone to do some work on my home, that is the FIRST question I ask them... are you bonded... 100% of the time, if they have a number in the phone book, they ARE!

And no, you simply CAN'T just start fixing roofs, cutting hair, or serving food, without meeting certain standards and requirements, it isn't realistic, and it's just not the case. You must obtain a license to do any of these things, and that requires being bonded. In addition, if you serve food, you must pass health inspections as well... if you install roofs, they must adhere to building codes... we have an entire system for all of these things... like I said, it's 2011, not 1911.

Do you EVER know what you are talking about?
There is NO requirement for bonding to get a business license.

Why do you make up your own facts?
 
Do you EVER know what you are talking about?
There is NO requirement for bonding to get a business license.

Why do you make up your own facts?

No, there isn't a 'requirement' to be bonded to get a business license, I didn't say there was. If that were the case, why would I need to ask if someone was bonded... that IS what I posted, isn't it? Why would I ask that if it were a requirement for them to do business? What I stated, correctly, was that most reputable contractors are bonded, or they don't get jobs... or participate in "Home Fairs!"
 
No, there isn't a 'requirement' to be bonded to get a business license, I didn't say there was. If that were the case, why would I need to ask if someone was bonded... that IS what I posted, isn't it? Why would I ask that if it were a requirement for them to do business? What I stated, correctly, was that most reputable contractors are bonded, or they don't get jobs... or participate in "Home Fairs!"

Yes, you did say there was.

You must obtain a license to do any of these things, and that requires being bonded. In addition, if you serve food, you must pass health inspections as well... if you install roofs, they must adhere to building codes... we have an entire system for all of these things... like I said, it's 2011, not 1911.
 
Yes, you did say there was.

Again, you need to re-read what I posted and stop making idiotic statements about what you THINK I said. You're not retarded, are you? I ask that because, I specifically said, the FIRST thing I do, is ask if someone is bonded! Now why in God's name, would I ask this, if I thought it was a 'requirement' for them to have a business? It makes NO rational sense that I would, can you comprehend rationality? I never said that people HAVE to be bonded, but I would think, in order to participate in any sponsored "Home Fair" of any legitimacy whatsoever, it would be a prerequisite. There are very few "non-bonded" contractors out there, and they routinely struggle to find work. An even fewer number are able to sustain any kind of reputable business, it just doesn't happen in the real world. It may happen in Liberal La-la Land, I don't know... but out here in reality, home contractors are usually bonded and licensed, or they don't have businesses or participate in "Home Fairs!"
 
NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE AUTHORITARIANS! ...Keep repeating that over and over until it sinks into your empty cranium, DUMBSHIT!

American TEA Party Conservatives believe in FREE markets... FREE enterprise... FREEdom! They believe in the CONSTITUTION which guarantees FREEDOM (NOT AUTHORITARIAN RULE)! They believe in states rights... not authoritarian dictation of what states WILL do! They believe in LESS Government intrusion into our lives and MORE personal responsibility. Across the board, everything an American Conservative believes is the antithesis of Communism. While we see these miscreants in OWS, touting Maoist and Communist philosophy, like it's the Holy Grail!

"They believe in the CONSTITUTION"

Here we go, again. Do try to follow along.

The Preamble is the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Unemployed. Losing homes. Unable to pay a doctor....

Do you think those things contribute to domestic tranquility?
Do you think those things contribute to general welfare on a personal level or for the country as a whole?
Do you think those things are the blessings of liberty?

Do you think? Perhaps we should determine that first.
 
ROFLMAO.... he is a democratically elected leader who did what the public wanted him to do. You can call him a 'dictator' all you like, but we all know it is just because you are butthurt that the unions got put back into the position of actually having to collectively BARGAIN for their raises rather than just bribe their way to extra money and bene's.

So was Hitler, you dumb ass. That's hardly a "selling" point.
 
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