Osama Bin Laden DEAD!

bravo said:
Yeah,,,......WE KNOW....

:lol::rofl::lol:
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In 2007 it was reported that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was using waterboarding on extrajudicial prisoners and that the Department of Justice had authorized the procedure,[7][8] even though the United States government hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding US prisoners of war in World War II.[9] Alleged Al-Qaeda suspects upon whom the CIA is known to have used waterboarding are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.[10][11] According to Justice Department documents, the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed provided information about an unrealized attack on Los Angeles.[12]
 
February 5, 2008:

Hayden told lawmakers the agency had not used waterboarding in almost five years, publicly confirming information that was first reported by ABC News last year. He asked the lawmakers not to create new laws that would limit CIA interrogators. "One should not expect them to play outside the box because we've entered a new period of threat or danger to the nation, OK? So there's no wink and nod here," he said. "If you create the box, we will play inside the box without exception."
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/TheLaw/story?id=4244423&page=1
 
bravo said:
Bin Laden's Death Is Irrelevant, From A Tactical Standpoint...that is true today as it was years ago....
But it is a propaganda and emotional victory for the US....and this is also true....
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I disagree w/ that, wholeheartedly. OBL is & always has been an inspirational leader for Al Qaeda, even though he might be removed from the day-to-day. Tactically, losing that is a major blow.

I have already seen a few articles already that Al Qaeda will have a hard time keeping it together now. They were starting to splinter anyway, but this makes it worse for them. It's a big deal.
 
Consistent with its heightened standard for use of the waterboard, the CIA has used this technique in the interrogations of only three detainees to date (KSM, Zubaydah, and 'Abd Al-Rahim Al-Nashiri) and has not used it since the March 2003 interrogation of KSM. See Letter from Scott W. Muller, General Counsel, Central Intelligence Agency, to Jack L. Goldsmith III, Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel at 1 (June 14, 2004).
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/propublica/assets/missing_memos/28OLCmemofinalredact30May05.pdf

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THey may have previously waterboaeded KSM, but the info did not come from that, it came years later.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Right. No one has been waterboarded since 2003. The intelligence reportedly was obtained in 2007. I'm sure you can do the rest of the figurin' that needs doin'.
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KSM was broken because of waterboarding, and supplied valuable intelligence since then.
 
It is perfectly plausible that waterboarding continued. Though it is not a necessary conclusion to assume it was KSM that the information came from, regardless of what techniques were used it can be certain he didn't offer it up without some kind of incentives.
 
Dixie said:
That's a fake. A rather bad one too.
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True that... But heck, why not? It is "part" of what's out there. I need to start a thread in the conspiracy area about this. I've heard some bozos already throwing out unbelievable nonsense.
 
The waterboarding debate should probably be another thread, but I've always felt that the debate about whether it should be used has very little to do w/ what kind of info we can get w/ it, and much more to do with the kind of country we want to be.
 
<snip>Although the agency insists it has not used waterboarding since 2003, the CIA is believed to have continued to use some "enhanced" interrogation methods, such as temperature manipulation and stress positions, although the precise techniques remain classified. Counterterrorism officials close to the issue say they wanted to maintain the option to trick prisoners into believing they would face physical harm from foreign intelligence services if they didn't cooperate.<snip>

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Ice Dancer said:
<snip>Although the agency insists it has not used waterboarding since 2003, the CIA is believed to have continued to use some "enhanced" interrogation methods, such as temperature manipulation and stress positions, although the precise techniques remain classified. Counterterrorism officials close to the issue say they wanted to maintain the option to trick prisoners into believing they would face physical harm from foreign intelligence services if they didn't cooperate.<snip>

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That is dfifferent than Waterboarding.
 
Crucial information about the trusted courier who owned the compound came years ago from CIA interrogations of 9-11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohamed, the official said. This is significant, because the Al Qaeda mastermind was subject to waterboarding and other brutal interrogation methods.

"We were able to get pieces of information from detainees," the official said. "That took years and these guys don’t give it up all willingly."

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Onceler said:
I disagree w/ that, wholeheartedly. OBL is & always has been an inspirational leader for Al Qaeda, even though he might be removed from the day-to-day. Tactically, losing that is a major blow.

I have already seen a few articles already that Al Qaeda will have a hard time keeping it together now. They were starting to splinter anyway, but this makes it worse for them. It's a big deal.
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Certainly, your prerogative to disagree....and you have a valid reason thinking he was the one held AQ together....could be, but I don't hold that view....this is from 2002 and shows another side....from 9 year ago....

America's ever-shifting attitude towards bin Laden tells us far more about the confused war on terror than about bin Laden himself.

by Brendan O’Neill

POSTED APRIL 25, 2002 --

‘The goal has never been to get bin Laden’, said General Richard Myers, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, on 6 April 2002. President George W Bush might have declared on 17 September 2001 that bin Laden was ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive’ – but Myers told CNN that a far more important aim than bin Laden’s head on a platter was the ‘capture, killing and scattering’ of ‘mid-level al-Qaeda operatives’ 1. ‘The goal [in Afghanistan] was never after specific individuals’, he claimed.

But four days later, on 10 April 2002, army secretary Thomas White said that one of America’s ‘strategic objectives’ in Afghanistan is ‘to get bin Laden…and we are pursuing that’. Asked if the war on terror could only be hailed a success once bin Laden was found, White said yes – claiming that ‘no one said it was going to be easy’.

‘I truly am not that concerned about him’, said President George W Bush on 13 March 2002, after being asked the million-dollar question ‘where is bin Laden?’ once too often. ‘Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all’, said Bush, brushing bin Laden off as ‘a person who has now been marginalized’.

But a week later, on 21 March 2002, US commanders claimed that bin Laden and co are ‘still a threat in the new Afghanistan’. Major-general Frank Hagenbeck warned that ‘there are al-Qaeda operatives in Paktia right now, who are going to great lengths to regroup’ – while CIA director George Tenet claimed that bin Laden remains an ‘immediate and serious threat’ .

On 8 April 2002, US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld said bin Laden’s threat had been ‘neutralized’. ‘Our goal was to stop terrorism to the extent that we could’, said Rumsfeld – claiming that ‘enough pressure’ had been applied to al-Qaeda leaders to make them ‘so busy surviving’ and ‘moving from place to place’ that they no longer have time to plot terrorist attacks.

But on the same day, one newspaper claimed that ‘bin Laden managed to escape hours before a joint team of FBI and Pakistan commandos raided an al-Qaeda hideout in Faisalabad in the Punjab province on 28 March, which resulted in the capture of his lieutenant Abu Zubaydah’ 10 – leading to concern in the ‘American camp’ that bin Laden is ‘safe and well and planning new terror attacks’
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http://cursor.org/stories/binladenforgotten.htm

 
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