How many wars has the US started since 2001?
Compare that to Russia.
Operation Spiderweb is fascinating
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Compare that to Russia.
Scott
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There may be an objective way to defend Russia's interests in a way that -doesn't- require so much death and destruction, but if there is, I don't know of it. I'm just happy that this hasn't yet escalated into a nuclear war. Not only that, Russia has of yet not attacked any other country other than Ukraine despite the fact that so many NATO countries have been supplying Ukraine with weapons and even directing those weapons to their targets.
Scott
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Just read the free part of a paid article from Matt Taibi that talks about the aftermath of Operation Spiderweb, thought it was quite good. It can be seen here:
www.racket.news
I thought most of the bottom part of the free section of the article was quite good. Quoting:
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For almost ten years we’ve had a consensus mechanism that evaluates all things this way: if it’s bad for Trump, it’s good for the world. It started with being “disappointed” to learn Robert Mueller didn’t find Russian agents in the White House and progressed to “told you so” tales of 400,000 deaths proving Trump wrong about Covid. Now we have the best political Schadenfreude story ever: Nuclear showdown proves Trump’s incompetence. Or, as Walter Kirn put it, ending the world to own Trump.
The Maddow segment was one of a pile of ebullient “Peace Averted!” responses to Ukraine’s “Operation Spiderweb,” which in any normal era would be covered first as an unprecedented escalation of nuclear tension. Officially now, politicians and media have gone mad, so focused on Trump that they no longer see or acknowledge danger to you, me, and the rest of the world beyond.
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Ending the World to Own Trump
Ukraine's 18-month plan to execute "Russia's Pearl Harbor" leaves humanity at the edge of extinction, and Western analysts are giddy
www.racket.news
I thought most of the bottom part of the free section of the article was quite good. Quoting:
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For almost ten years we’ve had a consensus mechanism that evaluates all things this way: if it’s bad for Trump, it’s good for the world. It started with being “disappointed” to learn Robert Mueller didn’t find Russian agents in the White House and progressed to “told you so” tales of 400,000 deaths proving Trump wrong about Covid. Now we have the best political Schadenfreude story ever: Nuclear showdown proves Trump’s incompetence. Or, as Walter Kirn put it, ending the world to own Trump.
The Maddow segment was one of a pile of ebullient “Peace Averted!” responses to Ukraine’s “Operation Spiderweb,” which in any normal era would be covered first as an unprecedented escalation of nuclear tension. Officially now, politicians and media have gone mad, so focused on Trump that they no longer see or acknowledge danger to you, me, and the rest of the world beyond.
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Putin is learning that it is a bad idea to start a war with his neighbors. Hopefully trump will not have to learn the same lesson.
Scott
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He didn't start it, the U.S. did by turning a nation that had been fairly neutral to Russia into a hostile one:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
Jeffrey Sachs: The Geopolitics of Peace
The author explains manipulative U.S. post-war foreign policy to European MPs, explodes myths about Ukraine and urges an independent European foreign policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg&ab_channel=MichaelvonderSchulenburg This is an edited transcript of Professor Jeffrey Sachs’
consortiumnews.com
What Putin -did- try to do is make it neutral once more. Alas, his 8 years of trying to stop Ukraine's civil war didn't work out and he finally decided the only way to deal with the threat that Ukraine had become was to start his military operation. Articles on that too, this one I think is the best:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I see invading a country as starting a war. You seem to see an invaded country not surrendering as starting a war.
Stop making me agree with you.
You shall reap what you sow.
Seems to me that Putin is reaping what he sowed. The master war criminal getting his pee pee whacked.
Then you have a very low quality grapevine.
Scott
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I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I see invading a country as starting a war. You seem to see an invaded country not surrendering as starting a war.He didn't start it, the U.S. did by turning a nation that had been fairly neutral to Russia into a hostile one:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
Jeffrey Sachs: The Geopolitics of Peace
The author explains manipulative U.S. post-war foreign policy to European MPs, explodes myths about Ukraine and urges an independent European foreign policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg&ab_channel=MichaelvonderSchulenburg This is an edited transcript of Professor Jeffrey Sachs’
What Putin -did- try to do is make it neutral once more. Alas, his 8 years of trying to stop Ukraine's civil war didn't work out and he finally decided the only way to deal with the threat that Ukraine had become was to start his military operation. Articles on that too, this one I think is the best:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
Tell me, if the U.S. helps orchestrate a coup that removes the elected President of a country, would that not count as starting a war? Or does it only count if tanks roll in?
Bullets were certainly flying before the Ukrainian President was removed, and there's clear indications that the U.S. was backing those responsible for most of the killing:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.
www.globalresearch.ca
Walt is an establishment stooge who parrots CIA propaganda. Yall will make a great team.
Scott
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I think that's being too harsh on Walt. I imagine he's just like many people that trusts the mainstream media to tell him the truth.
Your mistake comes at your cost as you spend so much time on someone who has no intention of speaking the truth.
Scott
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What I like most about Walt is that, at least with me, he's always been polite. I don't mind going around in circles a bit with people like that, because at the end of the day, you're still treating each other as human beings. The real problems in a discussion start when the personal attacks begin.
The US has been at constant war the entire 21st century, with politicians, CIA, and military in Ukraine since at least 2014. Anyone denying the US was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb is only fooling themself. Trump knew so Putin and Xi are fed up with all the lies.
Walt is respectful, but not very bright.
Scott
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The US has been at constant war the entire 21st century, with politicians, CIA, and military in Ukraine since at least 2014. Anyone denying the US was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb is only fooling themself.I think that's being too harsh on Walt. I imagine he's just like many people that trusts the mainstream media to tell him the truth.Walt is an establishment stooge who parrots CIA propaganda. Yall will make a great team.Stop making me agree with you.I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I see invading a country as starting a war. You seem to see an invaded country not surrendering as starting a war.He didn't start it, the U.S. did by turning a nation that had been fairly neutral to Russia into a hostile one:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
Jeffrey Sachs: The Geopolitics of Peace
The author explains manipulative U.S. post-war foreign policy to European MPs, explodes myths about Ukraine and urges an independent European foreign policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg&ab_channel=MichaelvonderSchulenburg This is an edited transcript of Professor Jeffrey Sachs’
What Putin -did- try to do is make it neutral once more. Alas, his 8 years of trying to stop Ukraine's civil war didn't work out and he finally decided the only way to deal with the threat that Ukraine had become was to start his military operation. Articles on that too, this one I think is the best:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not. As can be seen by the nested quotes above, I had been arguing with him as to who really started the war in Ukraine.
Scott
Verified User
I think being bright is a multidimensional thing. People can be bright in some areas and not so much in other areas. I commend Walt for understanding the importance of civility in discussions, which could be seen as being bright in the aspect of efficient communication.