Ooops. Babbitt Was Shot Down Like The Dog That She Is Via Self Defense

Flash said:
There is not usually a trial when a law enforcement officer shoots someone in the line of duty if that person is presenting a threat. If someone broke out your window and was climbing through the prosecutor would probably not charge you, either.
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She didn't break the window. The cop did not follow protocol for the use of deadly force.
 
Flash said:
It was not random. She was crawling though a broken window into an area the officers were trying to protect. How many people would be allowed to crawl through that window before the officers took action?

What procedure should he have followed?
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The armed cops behind her didn't shoot. He should have issued a verbal warning before he shot. There are pics of him in the house chamber holding his gun pointing at other people in the chamber and he had his finger on the trigger. This poorly trained moron was more of a danger to the people in the Chamber than Babbitt was.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They likely would and you'd be found guilty in most states for it. In any state, even the most lenient like Arizona, you would have to prove more than you shot them because they were breaking in.

https://scharfflawfirm.com/self-defense-laws-u-s/

In a "Duty to retreat" state you would have to withdraw, rather than shoot that individual.

In Babbitt's case the law enforcement officer was bound to use the federal use of force model and he didn't.
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Most of that site describes self-defense of an individual. When defending a group of other people the laws probably vary. If others followed her lead and entered the closed area it would be too late to take any action.
 
ExpressLane said:
No she wasn't she had no part in the breaking of the window. Why are you so afraid of women Did your mother beat you? Is that why you are a latent homosexual?
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LOL. Typical response of an oath-breaker. After all, once an oath-breaker then becoming a liar is nothing for you.

Anyone die yet in the Wisconsin Parade car terrorist attack?
 
Flash said:
It was not random. She was crawling though a broken window into an area the officers were trying to protect. How many people would be allowed to crawl through that window before the officers took action?

What procedure should he have followed?
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The federal use of force model. He should have moved out of that doorway into the hall and shouted verbal commands at her, getting her attention. He could point his firearm at her to enforce those verbal commands. If she complied, end of story. If she didn't and he clearly was now in a situation where she was or could advance, then he could shoot her to "stop the action."

He didn't even try to use verbal and physical control techniques as the use of force model requires. He just shot her.

Worse, criminally worse, he fled the scene after shooting her. That is a HUGE no, no.

Here's an example of what I mean. These officers are covering a window protesters are trying to enter:

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They didn't shoot anybody. They used verbal commands reinforced by their drawn service weapon to stop entry.
 
ExpressLane said:
She didn't break the window. The cop did not follow protocol for the use of deadly force.
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She was entering a closed area through a broken window. What is the protocol?

The prosecutors investigated the case and chose not to prosecute. The laws must have protected his actions. If there was any doubt he could have always submitted the case to the grand jury.
 
Flash said:
She was entering a closed area through a broken window. What is the protocol?

The prosecutors investigated the case and chose not to prosecute. The laws must have protected his actions. If there was any doubt he could have always submitted the case to the grand jury.
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I outlined it in detail in post #245. The officer that shot Babbitt was in COMPLETE violation--criminally in violation--of his training and federal regulations on use of force.
 
ExpressLane said:
The armed cops behind her didn't shoot. He should have issued a verbal warning before he shot. There are pics of him in the house chamber holding his gun pointing at other people in the chamber and he had his finger on the trigger. This poorly trained moron was more of a danger to the people in the Chamber than Babbitt was.
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Her death and the deaths of the people Rittenhouse killed could both have been avoided with a little effort on the part of the shooters.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
He was a lieutenant by rank. That makes him a manager and likely the senior officer present.
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It's logical that if a only one shot would be fired, he'd be the one to do it.

Plan B would be for everyone Friendly to open up on the violent, terrorist mob.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's logical that if a only one shot would be fired, he'd be the one to do it.

Plan B would be for everyone Friendly to open up on the violent, terrorist mob.
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It would be logical that he was the best trained and most familiar with the use of force regulations which he completely disregarded. Given his other misuses of a firearm it's likely his promotion was on the basis of things other than competence.
 
BidenPresident said:
Rittenhouse is a murderer. Babbitt was a terrorist.
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Not according to the court decision. I don't think crawling through a broken window makes a person a terrorist. Can police legally shoot a person you label a "terrorist." She obviously did present a possible threat but as the other posters pointed out she should have been verbally warned first.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It would be logical that he was the best trained and most familiar with the use of force regulations which he completely disregarded. Given his other misuses of a firearm it's likely his promotion was on the basis of things other than competence.
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When did you become privy to all the facts? ....or is that Tucker talking?

Why else would he be promoted except for competence?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
When did you become privy to all the facts? ....or is that Tucker talking?

Why else would he be promoted except for competence?
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I based all my commentary on his viewable actions on video of the incident and widely reported previous incidents and photos of him with his service weapon drawn.
 
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