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owner of 'condemned' property involuntarily committed after threatening to kill to protect his property

Lawrence “Larry” L. Modic, 57, of Lakewood, was picked up by Akron police after a traffic stop. He was taken to the Portage Path Psychiatric Emergency Services facility in Akron, where he remained under evaluation Thursday, police Lt. Rick Edwards said.

Upon entry into the home at 1480 Manchester Road, police on Wednesday found four rifles and a handgun, all loaded, along with two boxes of ammunition, as well as military-style Meals Ready to Eat (MREs) and a flak jacket, Edwards said.

Edwards said Modic was picked up because he was considered a threat to himself or others in the community because of the threats he has made. He had no weapons in his car and did not resist being taken into custody.

Modic, who could not be reached for comment Thursday, has not been charged with a crime.

Edwards said Modic could be given a medical and psychological evaluation at a Department of Veteran Affairs hospital.

He said police and the city were particularly concerned about Modic’s threats after a 1999 incident in which an 80-year-old man shot two Akron police officers, Michael Page and Richard Lilly Jr., during an attempt to demolish the man’s home on Blanche Street. Both men left the police department on medical disabilities after the shootings.

Edwards said it is the city’s obligation to “protect not only the officers or the workers coming or anybody in that area, [but] our obligation is to protect anybody in the community. That’s our job. We don’t want anything to happen to him, either.
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just so that every statist here knows, a cop will never be arrested for threatening a citizen with blowing their head off. remember, YOU are a slave, the cops are your masters.
 
Sativa said:
where did the cops threaten death and violence?
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in this episode, they did not. but you have seen the numerous posts I've made where they have.

Sativa said:
do you support this guy in threatening to kill people over his property?
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yes, I do. I would do the same. Don't tell me I have only a limited amount of time to fix something when you know damn well it will take longer to fix or I will kill you when you come to take my property from me.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
in this episode, they did not. but you have seen the numerous posts I've made where they have.

yes, I do. I would do the same. Don't tell me I have only a limited amount of time to fix something when you know damn well it will take longer to fix or I will kill you when you come to take my property from me.
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ok, i thought you were talking about just this situation.

as to the property. he has other remedies besides threatening violence. he can petition for more time, at least start the renovations as a sign of good faith or sue the seller for non disclosure, though, since this was a short sale, i don't think he has redress here as short sales are virtually all "as is". thus, he took the risk in buying a short sale. he bought the home for only 10K. surely someone's life is not worth 10K STY.
 
Sativa said:
as to the property. he has other remedies besides threatening violence. he can petition for more time, at least start the renovations as a sign of good faith or sue the seller for non disclosure, though, since this was a short sale, i don't think he has redress here as short sales are virtually all "as is". thus, he took the risk in buying a short sale. he bought the home for only 10K. surely someone's life is not worth 10K STY.
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look at it the other way. Any law enforcement agency coming to enforce the government order has with it the threat of lethal force, so obviously someones life is worth 10k, or less as law enforcement considers it.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
look at it the other way. Any law enforcement agency coming to enforce the government order has with it the threat of lethal force, so obviously someones life is worth 10k, or less as law enforcement considers it.
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they do not have the power of lethal force unless confronted with lethal force.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
they have the policy to use an appropriate level of force to enforce the law, so where is that going to lead when resistance to an unconstitutional mandate is given?
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non lethal methods. and unfortunately, if it is unconstitutional, unless you get an emergency injunction, which he should have done, you have to seek redress in court.

i don't any justification for using lethal force against the police in this matter or any other property dispute matter.
 
Sativa said:
non lethal methods. and unfortunately, if it is unconstitutional, unless you get an emergency injunction, which he should have done, you have to seek redress in court.

i don't any justification for using lethal force against the police in this matter or any other property dispute matter.
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I disagree. all too often seeing the courts side with the government tells me that we are not a free and just nation anymore. at some point you people are going to see that I was right and we entered a totalitarian state.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I disagree. all too often seeing the courts side with the government tells me that we are not a free and just nation anymore. at some point you people are going to see that I was right and we entered a totalitarian state.
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perhaps you are right, however, any civilized country needs laws and laws need to be followed if they are just. here, this guy took the risk to purchase a cheap house on short sale. he was given 3 months to fix it up.

if you're talking about other incidents, i can't speak to those as i don't remember all the incidents you mention. our system is not perfect, however, i would choose our system over any other form of government currently existing. another property issue is...eminent domain...it is rife with systemic problems and can be abused.
 
Sativa said:
perhaps you are right, however, any civilized country needs laws and laws need to be followed if they are just.
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what do you do when the government 'we the people' instituted ignore those very laws and refuse to hold themselves accountable? are we still expected to obey those laws ourselves?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
what do you do when the government 'we the people' instituted ignore those very laws and refuse to hold themselves accountable? are we still expected to obey those laws ourselves?
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can you be specific. has a court ruled they are unconstitutional...have the police started searching everyone's home without a warrant...
 
Sativa said:
if you want to start an armed revolution about it, then go for it STY. else, your recourse is through the courts or legislative branches. i have no interest in starting a revolution.
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what recourse can I expect from the courts when the courts are what made the exceptions? at some point, and maybe for you it's when they start ransacking houses and killing the first born male, do you consider it enough?
 
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