On the Bright side!

Jarod

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I have always really disliked the Establishment.

Correctly or incorrectly, when I became politically aware, at about 12 or 13 years of age Ronald Reagan was the Establishment, from my perspective. I have since considered the Republican or Conservative party as the group propping up and promoting the Establishment.

It was not too long after the Vietnam War and conservatives told me how it was wrong to question authority.
The Churches preached against being rebellious.
Those who protested were liberals, Conservatives were often appalled.
Order and discipline (propping up of the Establishment) were always actively promoted by the Conservatives I knew.
I was told, by conservatives, that the police were always correct...
There was a longing to go back to the 1950's where social order was more structured and set in stone.

Plenty more examples of how it was the Conservatives trying to promote the Establishment and the liberals fighting it back then, at least from my perspective.

I am ready to declare that Conservative "Establishment" dead.

There is a liberal establishment also. I have only begun to see that in the last 10 or 15 years. I don't like it either, and I think the nomination of Sanders will help kill it. I am a liberal because I have always equated anti-establishmentism with liberalism, I see that is not absolutely so.

Anyway, the success of Trump, while deplorable to me due to his xenophobia, racism and authoritarian attitude, has a bright side because, while I personally believe he is the ultimate establishment candidate, his success is due to the fact that his supporters see him as a non-establishment candidate. There is finally a groundswell to end the established order and build a new, more fair, more modern structure by which we should base our culture and society, I can only see that as a good thing.

I hope its someone like Sanders who leads us into the new world. He is clearly more popular than Trump, so maybe it will happen.
 
Sanders and Trump are the opposite sides of the same authoritarian establishment coin. Both of them are lying through their teeth and if elected, will revert right back to their parties establishment policies and laugh as you sit back and praise everything they do because you've convinced yourself it's 'not the same'.
 
Jarod sure can tell a story can't he. These supposed conservatives he knows are a hoot. Like the neighbor he claims is a trump supporter who tried to run him over. That is my favorite.

Not as good as Deshtard spitting in the face of a negro, but good nonetheless.
 
If you were unaware of Dem establishment until recently,.you were not paying attention. It is the very nature of a party to be that establishment.
Bernie is pretty establishment as he chooses not to affiliate himself with his actual party but Trump literally does not require a party but it's cheaper with one.
 
Jarod sure can tell a story can't he. These supposed conservatives he knows are a hoot. Like the neighbor he claims is a trump supporter who tried to run him over. That is my favorite.

Not as good as Deshtard spitting in the face of a negro, but good nonetheless.

LOL

Two of my favorite liberal fantasy stories....
 
What is holding the establishment together more than anything else is the Corporations. I hope this awakening will serve to break them up as well so the government establishment.
 
What is holding the establishment together more than anything else is the Corporations. I hope this awakening will serve to break them up as well so the government establishment.

Ahhh yes those pesky corporations again.

You do realize that corporations by themselves can't make you do anything right?

It is amazing that you put all the fault at the feet of the "corporations" and hold politicians blameless.

It was you who championed Obamas green energy plans funneling taxpayer money to CORPORATIONS. Then you called it an investment.

It is clear that you really haven't thought through your own belief system n
 
I have always really disliked the Establishment.

Correctly or incorrectly, when I became politically aware, at about 12 or 13 years of age Ronald Reagan was the Establishment, from my perspective. I have since considered the Republican or Conservative party as the group propping up and promoting the Establishment.

It was not too long after the Vietnam War and conservatives told me how it was wrong to question authority.
The Churches preached against being rebellious.
Those who protested were liberals, Conservatives were often appalled.
Order and discipline (propping up of the Establishment) were always actively promoted by the Conservatives I knew.
I was told, by conservatives, that the police were always correct...
There was a longing to go back to the 1950's where social order was more structured and set in stone.

Plenty more examples of how it was the Conservatives trying to promote the Establishment and the liberals fighting it back then, at least from my perspective.

I am ready to declare that Conservative "Establishment" dead.

There is a liberal establishment also. I have only begun to see that in the last 10 or 15 years. I don't like it either, and I think the nomination of Sanders will help kill it. I am a liberal because I have always equated anti-establishmentism with liberalism, I see that is not absolutely so.

Anyway, the success of Trump, while deplorable to me due to his xenophobia, racism and authoritarian attitude, has a bright side because, while I personally believe he is the ultimate establishment candidate, his success is due to the fact that his supporters see him as a non-establishment candidate. There is finally a groundswell to end the established order and build a new, more fair, more modern structure by which we should base our culture and society, I can only see that as a good thing.

I hope its someone like Sanders who leads us into the new world. He is clearly more popular than Trump, so maybe it will happen.

I'm curious, who were these 'conservatives' that told you it was wrong to question authority and that the police were always correct.
And you're a liberal because you're anti establishment ?

You're what, offended or surprised that Churches taught and still teach peace ? What did you expect them to teach ?

And you're against 'order and discipline' ??? (do you have any kids)

Where was there "a longing to go back to the 1950's" and what makes you think the "social order was more structured and set in stone then"
Was it your parents?....was it because back in the 50's Democrats still were the outright racists, against integration, etc...

So,,,,you're about 50 now and at about 35 or 40 you finally realized that not only is there a Conservative establishment but a liberal establishment too...????

It would be interesting to have a beer or two with you and pick you brain to see where the fuck you got your convoluted and inane ideas....

I guess if LBJ or Jimmy Carter were president when you had your political awakening you'd be conservative Republican now....
 
Bernie has proposed radically changing the system. He is as much of an outsider your going to get at the Presidential level.


Sanders wants to make the US a socialist nation....That passes for radical, I suppose....but it doesn't make him an 'outsider'...at any level..
It only shows him to be just another fuckin' unhinged nutcase like so many on the left.....
 
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