OMG!!! Univ of Penn MEDICAL SCHOOL says blacks can skip taking the MCAT

ExpressLane said:
My best friend in medical school was there on a full ride scholarship . He had been offered an interview at Harvard but he did not take the offer. I did not get a scholarship and I did not get an interview at Harvard. I finished in the top ten percent of my class He finished in the bottom 20%. The medical school had a free tutoring program for students who were at risk of failing a class. The school hired students with at least a 90 average in a course to tutor students with a 79 or lower average. I tutored him in biochemistry and anatomy and physiology and a few other classes. We got him through but it was close at times..

His mother was from Spanish parents who worked for a silver mine in Mexico. His mother was born in Mexico and had dual citizenship in Spain and Mexico. That made my friend, who is white as I am, half Hispanic. My college GPA and MCAT score was considerably higher than his and I also have a Masters degree that he did not have. The reason he got accepted into medical school and got an interview offer by Harvard was he is 50% Hispanic. BTW He didn't go to the Harvard interview because he is a petroleum geologist and put together oil leases to help support his family during medical school. So he needed to be in Texas not Boston.
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How did he get an offer for an interview if he never expressed any interest in Harvard?
 
ExpressLane said:
My best friend in medical school was there on a full ride scholarship . He had been offered an interview at Harvard but he did not take the offer. I did not get a scholarship and I did not get an interview at Harvard. I finished in the top ten percent of my class He finished in the bottom 20%. The medical school had a free tutoring program for students who were at risk of failing a class. The school hired students with at least a 90 average in a course to tutor students with a 79 or lower average. I tutored him in biochemistry and anatomy and physiology and a few other classes. We got him through but it was close at times..

His mother was from Spanish parents who worked for a silver mine in Mexico. His mother was born in Mexico and had dual citizenship in Spain and Mexico. That made my friend, who is white as I am, half Hispanic. My college GPA and MCAT score was considerably higher than his and I also have a Masters degree that he did not have. The reason he got accepted into medical school and got an interview offer by Harvard was he is 50% Hispanic. BTW He didn't go to the Harvard interview because he is a petroleum geologist and put together oil leases to help support his family during medical school. So he needed to be in Texas not Boston.
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I was one of those "tutor students", you get like 1/2 a credit and some money. Not a bad deal, except many are in college that simply aren't college material. I did have a few

breakthroughs, but also a healthy dose of disappointment. Some people you just cain't reach. I tried, oh I tried. The failure is why I quit doing that. Life's too short for that much

disappointment. In hindsight, my expectations were too high going in. Ended up taking a job at a restaurant for book money. It was less stress.
 
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Lionfish said:
Your point? I believe you are trying to say everyone should take them regardless of color or race, correct?
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I didn't have a point. I just looked up the scores by race since that was the topic of the thread. I was not familiar with MCAT scores.

I'm sure applicants who get in some medical schools would not be admitted to others. They don't get in the most selective but are admitted to another upper tier school. I'm sure those admitted to the upper tier school do not really have lower standards. Medical school is so expensive they don't want to admit someone who cannot graduate or pass board exams (unrelated to any racial issue).

It is not like graduate school where anybody can find one to get admitted and graduate.
 
Matt Dillon said:
I was one of those "tutor students", you get like 1/2 a credit and some money. Not a bad deal, except many are in college that simply aren't college material. I did have a few

breakthroughs, but also a healthy dose of disappointment. Some people you just cain't reach. I tried, oh I tried. The failure is why I quit doing that. Life's too short for that much

disappointment. In hindsight, my expectations were too high going in.
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I needed the money but I would have tutored my friend for free anyway. :laugh:
 
ExpressLane said:
I needed the money but I would have tutored my friend for free anyway. :laugh:
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They set me up with people the education system had failed, but the college let them in for that student loan money. I had literally 3-4 people that got it from the tutoring and many that did not. Somehow my dumbass thought I'd have a majority success rate going in. :palm:
It didn't happen like that. :(
Not at all. I think I might be a pessimist. My methods were good, too. It's just that some people aren't college material.
To try your ass off like that and fail is very disappointing and then you still have to worry about keeping up your own grades.
I only did that one semester.
 
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Matt Dillon said:
They set me up with people the education system had failed, but the college let them in for that student loan money. I had literally 3-4 people that got it from the tutoring and many that did not. Somehow my dumbass thought I'd have a majority success rate going in. :palm:
It didn't happen like that. :(
Not at all. I think I might be a pessimist. My methods were good, too. It's just that some people aren't college material.
To try your ass off like that and fail is very disappointing and then you still have to worry about keeping up your own grades.
I only did that one semester.
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If they have trouble in college they probably aren't that smart or they are just lazy and want to be spoon fed.
 
christiefan915 said:
Not that much variation in the scores. In the end medical training and growing experience will count for more.
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Actually that is a big difference when you realize the average black medical student MCAT score is lower than the Average White person that just took the MCAT but did not get accepted to medical school..
 
ExpressLane said:
That's because they lower the standards for minority students.
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Can you link us to an example that lowers standards for minority students at a medical school(s)?

Most medical schools can pick from a large number of very qualified students. I don't know about medical schools, but some very selective law schools choose students from different regions of the country to diversify their student body.

If a school has a lot of very good applications and they can fill all their spots from applicants in the 95th percentile or higher, it is not really lowering their standards to pick some white guy from the Midwest who is only in the 94th percentile although his scores were lower than his fellow classmates.
 
Flash said:
Can you link us to an example that lowers standards for minority students at a medical school(s)?

Most medical schools can pick from a large number of very qualified students. I don't know about medical schools, but some very selective law schools choose students from different regions of the country to diversify their student body.

If a school has a lot of very good applications and they can fill all their spots from applicants in the 95th percentile or higher, it is not really lowering their standards to pick some white guy from the Midwest who is only in the 94th percentile although his scores were lower than his fellow classmates.
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Of course I can.

Average MCAT Scores:

Whites: 507.5
Blacks: 497.6
Asians: 508.6

Average MCAT Scores for those attending medical school:

Whites: 512.7
Blacks: 505.9
Asians: 514.5

The "passing" score varies by institution based on how selective their admissions policies are.


During the most recent 2021-2022 medical school application cycle, White matriculants had an average GPA of 3.78 and MCAT of 512.7 and Asian matriculants had an average GPA of 3.79 and MCAT of 514.5. The average Asian matriculant had an MCAT nearly 2 points higher than the average Caucasian. In comparison, Black matriculants had an average GPA of 3.55 and MCAT of 505.9 and Hispanic matriculants averaged a 3.64 GPA and 506.6 MCAT. In several previous years, the disparities in GPA and MCAT scores have been even more pronounced.
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https://medschoolinsiders.com/pre-m...recent 2021,higher than the average Caucasian.

If you are White or Asian a MCAT score of 505.9 would not even get you an interview.
 
ExpressLane said:
Of course I can.

Average MCAT Scores:

Whites: 507.5
Blacks: 497.6
Asians: 508.6

Average MCAT Scores for those attending medical school:

Whites: 512.7
Blacks: 505.9
Asians: 514.5

The "passing" score varies by institution based on how selective their admissions policies are.

https://medschoolinsiders.com/pre-m...recent 2021,higher than the average Caucasian.

If you are White or Asian a MCAT score of 505.9 would not even get you an interview.
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How many qualified people go to off-shore medical schools because their stellar grades still don't get them admitted to US schools?
 
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