Oklahoma teacher protest

Kacper said:
Good, now produce legitimate sources supporting your made up crap and maybe you will have redeemed your teachers' investment in you. Until then....
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I have experience to offer. What can you offer in return...to support this "made up crap" theory of yours?
Take your time...
I'm incredibly patient and tolerant. From many years of that experience. :)
 
CFM said:
So no documentation of the "most do" claim.
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No sir..just experience in this case. Every teacher is an individual, as I'm sure you realize. It would be impossible to document each and every one.
 
TOP said:
No sir..just experience in this case. Every teacher is an individual, as I'm sure you realize. It would be impossible to document each and every one.
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Then claiming "most do" isn't a legitimate claim. Claiming you do then using yourself as a source is also not a legitimate claim.
 
Kacper said:
Good, now produce legitimate sources supporting your made up crap and maybe you will have redeemed your teachers' investment in you. Until then....
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Do you know any teachers? I have a sister in law retired teacher and a niece who is also a teacher and I can assure you they work many more hours than you think.
https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2013/08/how-many-hours-do-educators-actually-work
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2008/03/art4full.pdf
 
Eagle Eye said:
Do you know any teachers? I have a sister in law retired teacher and a niece who is also a teacher and I can assure you they work many more hours than you think.
https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2013/08/how-many-hours-do-educators-actually-work
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2008/03/art4full.pdf
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You don't know what I think about how many hours they work, and yes I know several teachers. I used to work with my high school science teacher during the summers when he very much wasn't in the classroom or getting additional training or whatever phantom thing people want to make up to deny they get summers off largely unless they elect to use that time to teach summer school or whatever. He didn't even need to work in summers. He did so because he was bored sitting at home and figured he could use the extra money to make extra mortgage payments. One year he did only work part-time in the summer because he started his masters in education which was required for him to move to department chair and about which he professed constantly it was the biggest effing waste of his time ever it was all so stupid.
 
Kacper said:
You don't know what I think about how many hours they work, and yes I know several teachers. I used to work with my high school science teacher during the summers when he very much wasn't in the classroom or getting additional training or whatever phantom thing people want to make up to deny they get summers off largely unless they elect to use that time to teach summer school or whatever. He didn't even need to work in summers. He did so because he was bored sitting at home and figured he could use the extra money to make extra mortgage payments. One year he did only work part-time in the summer because he started his masters in education which was required for him to move to department chair and about which he professed constantly it was the biggest effing waste of his time ever it was all so stupid.
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So you are basing your opinion on one teacher you knew. The requirements to be a teacher are high enough that they are for the most part underpaid. The general rule for most fulltime workers is 2080 hrs a year. That includes 10 holidays and 2 weeks vacation. I would be willing to bet most teachers work close to that.
 
Eagle Eye said:
So you are basing your opinion on one teacher you knew. The requirements to be a teacher are high enough that they are for the most part underpaid. The general rule for most fulltime workers is 2080 hrs a year. That includes 10 holidays and 2 weeks vacation. I would be willing to bet most teachers work close to that.
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No, I know lots of teachers. Some will allegedly spend hours doing lesson plans. Others say it only takes them a few minutes. Either way, 17 weeks vacation and $43K a year is a good gig in most places and I am certainly not going to cry tears when there are people making significantly less working as much overtime as they can just to put bread on the table WITHOUT 17 weeks a year vacation.
 
Kacper said:
No, I know lots of teachers. Some will allegedly spend hours doing lesson plans. Others say it only takes them a few minutes. Either way, 17 weeks vacation and $43K a year is a good gig in most places and I am certainly not going to cry tears when there are people making significantly less working as much overtime as they can just to put bread on the table WITHOUT 17 weeks a year vacation.
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You keep throwing out the charge 17 weeks vacation without providing data to back up your claims. I at least gave 3 sites that say you are wrong. So please post verifiable data.
 
Eagle Eye said:
You keep throwing out the charge 17 weeks vacation without providing data to back up your claims. I at least gave 3 sites that say you are wrong. So please post verifiable data.
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I pointed to it already. I even posted a screen cap that Oklahoma teachers get 17 weeks vacation a year. Your sources referring to teaching as a profession are sketchy at best. The average worker in the US made $44,564 per year for a 40-hour work week in 2017. The high school teacher in OK makes only slightly under that and get 17 weeks vacation. If teach.com's 2015 # bothers you, then take it up with the BLS because it is the source of both their number and the 2017 # I just gave you.
 
Kacper said:
I pointed to it already. I even posted a screen cap that Oklahoma teachers get 17 weeks vacation a year. Your sources referring to teaching as a profession are sketchy at best. The average worker in the US made $44,564 per year for a 40-hour work week in 2017. The high school teacher in OK makes only slightly under that and get 17 weeks vacation. If teach.com's 2015 # bothers you, then take it up with the BLS because it is the source of both their number and the 2017 # I just gave you.
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So you base your whole premises on a screen cap of Okahoma teachers but bls.gov data isn't good enough for you. I don't know why you have a hard on for teachers but you clearly aren't willing to accept facts. So if you want to believe that crap that all teachers make 46K and get 17 wks vacation. Then have a nut.
 
Darth Omar said:
Teachers here in WV were on strike for about three weeks.

I had mixed up emotions about it as a healthcare worker. Granted, they were underpaid for what they do but many of us in healthcare feel their pain lol. Also, their health insurance package is better than than most healthcare workers—way better, in some instances and their pension package is better than most of us in the private sector. Many hospitals have been forced to drop them all together. Let’s see, they also get to go on strike but we’re at the mercy of the hospital administrators because we can’t go on strike for obvious ethical reasons—administrators know this, and take advantage of it.

And they get summers off. Most of us can only imagine such a thing. So while I understand the importance of teachers, I can’t honestly say that I felt sorry for them.

So, teachers here got their raise and I’ll sit here and wait for my taxes to go up.
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I don't know any teacher who spends the summer loafing. They all take other part-time jobs to supplement their incomes.
 
Eagle Eye said:
So you base your whole premises on a screen cap of Okahoma teachers but bls.gov data isn't good enough for you. I don't know why you have a hard on for teachers but you clearly aren't willing to accept facts. So if you want to believe that crap that all teachers make 46K and get 17 wks vacation. Then have a nut.
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I find it deplorable we have a poster who is a fake teacher:-( ~
 
Sounds like the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of conservatives and Republicans, particularly the supply side voodoo economics conservatives who instigated this.

And really, when have conservatives and rightwingers ever really been strong advocates and proponents of public education? So it all fits a pattern, when you really think about it.

Oklahoma teachers: 'Our education system has failed'

Teachers in Oklahoma are the latest to walk out of classrooms in protest at sharply cut education budgets. They say what happened to their schools should be a warning for other states.

Last year, Oklahoma's education spending per pupil was 28.2% less than it was in 2008, before the Great Recession struck, according to the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

This crisis follows a decision by the state legislature to sharply reduce taxes in response to the recession, with the aim of encouraging investment and growth. The move was driven by small-government, pro-business Republicans but was also supported by many Democrats.

Other states tried the same approach, notably neighbouring Kansas, but few continued cutting as the economy began to improve. Oklahoma was among just a handful of states still reducing school budgets in 2016-17, when funding fell by another 8% over 12 months, second only to Wyoming.

Some Oklahoma Republicans now think they went too far.

"Any successful society from the Roman Empire [onward] has had to have some form of government," says Leslie Osborn, a Republican member of the state House of Representatives.

Osborn says she has changed her mind about the extent to which tax cuts can boost economic growth.

She was in favour of the theory that cutting taxes to the bone would spur growth, she says, until the outcomes - "not enough troopers on the road, not enough foster care workers to take care of children, not enough teachers in the classroom" - made her think again.

"I've been called a RINO - Republican in Name Only" she says. "I don't believe that's true. I believe that a good Republican can be compassionate, can believe that we need a safety net for people."

That's why Osborn strongly supported a move by the state legislature last week to approve modest tax rises on oil and gas production, fuel and cigarettes. The extra revenue will be used to boost school funding and increase teacher pay by an average of $6,100 (£4,340) per year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43623216
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Cypress said:
Sounds like the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of conservatives and Republicans, particularly the supply side voodoo economics conservatives who instigated this.

And really, when have conservatives and rightwingers ever really been strong advocates and proponents of public education? So it all fits a pattern, when you really think about it.
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Says the one that supports Liberals and left wingers using the system to indoctrinate children. We can see that pattern with the latest anti gun protests involving them.
 
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