Oklahoma Bible mandate challenged in Court

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Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate​


OKLAHOMA CITY – More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.

The 32 plaintiffs include 14 public school parents, four public school teachers and three faith leaders who object to Walters’ extremist agenda that imposes his personal religious beliefs on other people's children – in violation of Oklahomans’ religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The plaintiffs come from a variety of faith traditions, including Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian (U.S.A.) and United Church of Christ, and some identify as atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Some are of Indigenous heritage, and some have family situations – such as LGBTQ+ members or children with special educational needs – that cause particular concerns around teaching the Bible in public schools, especially around bullying.

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Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate

More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.
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I'm surprised these reactionaries are trying to make kids read the King James Bible.

The language in KJV is so archaic, kids won't be able to understand it.

The intent of the school board is obviously not to the benefit of the kids, but to ingratiate themselves with the fire-and-brimstone gang, whom mistakenly believe KJV is the most authentic Bible.
 
Cypress said:
I'm surprised these reactionaries are trying to make kids read the King James Bible.
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Dude, now you see why we atheists speak out about religion in public life here in the USA.


Cypress said:
The language in KJV is so archaic, kids won't be able to understand it.
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Since when have the hyper-religious required understanding of the holy writ?


Cypress said:
The intent of the school board is obviously not to the benefit of the kids, but to ingratiate themselves with the fire-and-brimstone gang, whom mistakenly believe KJV is the most authentic Bible.
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And you give atheists a hard time when they raise objections to religion.
 
gmark77 said:
Dude, now you see why we atheists speak out about religion in public life here in the USA.
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There is no law against religion in public life. Jimmy Carter, George Bush, Martin Luther King Jr. frequently spoke about their faith.

The only applicable law is to prohibit government employees from promoting a state religion.

If you want the Democrats to ever win Midwestern and Appalachian states they used to be very competitive in, howling about an Oklahoma bible is not going to win a single Midwestern state. This is the kind of thing which can be pursued quietly in court.
gmark77 said:
Since when have the hyper-religious required understanding of the holy writ?
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It's ridiculous to lay a King James bible on a kid's desk. The language is archaic Elizabethean English. This is obviously the doing of conservative evangelicals. The Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, and Episcopalian churches down the street from me use the New International Version. It is written in contemporary English and is very widely used
gmark77 said:
And you give atheists a hard time when they raise objections to religion.
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Maybe you need to make better and more convincing arguments.

I'm an independent thinker, and I don't commit to either Team Atheist or to Team Holy Roller.
 
Cypress said:
I'm surprised these reactionaries are trying to make kids read the King James Bible.

The language in KJV is so archaic, kids won't be able to understand it.

The intent of the school board is obviously not to the benefit of the kids, but to ingratiate themselves with the fire-and-brimstone gang, whom mistakenly believe KJV is the most authentic Bible.
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Public schools must be neutral on the issue of religion. Neither teaching nor prohibiting the Bible in public schools.

Of course the real answer is to do away with public schools.
 
gmark77 said:
Dude, now you see why we atheists speak out about religion in public life here in the USA.
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You're just as bad or worse. Prohibiting competing religious expression violates the 1st amendment.

Public schools should be neutral ground where children are free to express any religious idea they please.

But then, public schools should not exist - for this very reason.

gmark77 said:
Since when have the hyper-religious required understanding of the holy writ?

And you give atheists a hard time when they raise objections to religion.
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It's the flip side of the coin you are complaining about.
 
Cypress said:

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate​


OKLAHOMA CITY – More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.

The 32 plaintiffs include 14 public school parents, four public school teachers and three faith leaders who object to Walters’ extremist agenda that imposes his personal religious beliefs on other people's children – in violation of Oklahomans’ religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The plaintiffs come from a variety of faith traditions, including Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian (U.S.A.) and United Church of Christ, and some identify as atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Some are of Indigenous heritage, and some have family situations – such as LGBTQ+ members or children with special educational needs – that cause particular concerns around teaching the Bible in public schools, especially around bullying.

www.acluok.org

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate

More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.
www.acluok.org www.acluok.org
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WOW !!! 32 ???? That;s like, THE ENTIRE STATE !!!! OH NOES !!!!
 
Uncensored2008 said:
With the SCOTUS decision of parent opting children out of controversial subjects - I can imagine that many parents will opt their children out of religious instruction.
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Good. That will result in smaller classes and fewer seat warmers. Let the Xian haters go somewhere else.

The Feds cannot make any law re religious instruction or expression, period, public funding, public buildings or no. The vast majority of religious people at the time of the Founding were Christian, no need to babble on about Buddhists, Muslims, pagans, or any of the other cults; they didn't amount to anything, and were insignificant. Jews and Catholics had their own schools. Nobody complained then about crosses and Ten Commandments on the walls. In fact several states still had favored sects, and they were running the schools; this was the case until around the 1830's, when Massachusetts was the last state to end its religious controls on public schools to make them non-sectarian, and even then there was no banning of Christian crosses and plaques with the ten Commandments on them. Nobdoy gave a shit about sniveling atheists and pagans and whining Muslim bullshit.
 
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gmark77 said:
Given how often you rely on appeal to authority in lieu of an actual point I'm curious how you arrive at that conclusion.
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Yeah, let's talk about history and science without ever once mentioning any historians or scientists, lol.


The plaintiffs in the case opposing the Oklahoma Bible mandate and include leaders from the Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, and United Church of Christ churches. Atheists by themselves have never won anything transformative, there's not enough of them. So it doesn't aid the cause to be disparaging and demeaning to Christians
 
Cypress said:
nclude leaders from the Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, and United Church of Christ churches.
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You mean SOME 'leaders, not all. '32' isn't hardly enough to warrant being called a 'big reaction'. You could find more than that over what color to paint road stripes on something.
 
Cypress said:

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate​


OKLAHOMA CITY – More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.

The 32 plaintiffs include 14 public school parents, four public school teachers and three faith leaders who object to Walters’ extremist agenda that imposes his personal religious beliefs on other people's children – in violation of Oklahomans’ religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The plaintiffs come from a variety of faith traditions, including Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian (U.S.A.) and United Church of Christ, and some identify as atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Some are of Indigenous heritage, and some have family situations – such as LGBTQ+ members or children with special educational needs – that cause particular concerns around teaching the Bible in public schools, especially around bullying.

www.acluok.org

Oklahoma families, teachers and faith leaders file lawsuit to block Superintendent Ryan Walters’ Bible-education mandate

More than 30 Oklahomans – including parents and children, public school teachers and faith leaders – today filed a lawsuit urging the Oklahoma Supreme Court to block state Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’ mandate that all public schools incorporate the Bible into their curricula.
www.acluok.org www.acluok.org
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Nothing in the Oklahoma Constitution blocks the Bible from being taught in schools. Teaching the Bible isn't bullying.
 

Cypress said:
So it doesn't aid the cause to be disparaging and demeaning to Christians
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The only person on here who has disparaged and demeaned Christians is you when you construct your strawman arguments and accusing everyone who disagrees with you of calling Christians and Jews "morons".
 
Cypress said:
I'm surprised these reactionaries are trying to make kids read the King James Bible.

The language in KJV is so archaic, kids won't be able to understand it.

The intent of the school board is obviously not to the benefit of the kids, but to ingratiate themselves with the fire-and-brimstone gang, whom mistakenly believe KJV is the most authentic Bible.
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Your inability to understand English is YOUR problem. It is not unconstitutional to teach English or any other language.
 
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