Ok, I just read the indictment. Here's what I learned: Trump is f.*****

[Joe Capitalist]

They were stupid and paid the price for their stupidity.

Did you read the indictment? The things Trump did with the classified docs were outrageously stupid and careless.

Ex: "I declassified everything in my mind".

Trump really is a stupid, stupid mammal.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Except, from my understanding, some secrets can not be declassified even by the President.

Can you imagine being so desperate for attention and acceptance, you show documents to Kid Rock and ask for his advice? Good Goddess!

Is that so pathetic, or not?! How did that get out, anyways? Did Kid Rock squeal?

 

[christiefan915]

Trump is fine, he’s not in any trouble over this, in fact most Americans consider this a witch hunt.

When this is over the democrats will be far more hurt than Trump was

"Most Americans?" This must be the Word according to Breitbart.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

which is exactly the nightmare the Republican leadership are having. They need to explain to their own constituents why Trump is in the wrong without offending them enough to lose their votes.

Heh, good point. And when they pander to the MAGATs by defending #TRE45ON, they alienate more and more independents.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

And the irony is many of the old Trump voters died of COVID-19 over the last few years by refusing to wear masks.
Karma is a female dog.

And many others because they refused the vaccine.

 

[Phantasmal]

Is that so pathetic, or not?! How did that get out, anyways? Did Kid Rock squeal?

Kid Rock did an interview on Fox, what a dumbass.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Kid Rock did an interview on Fox, what a dumbass.

Oh Jeebus Crisp! How did I miss this insanity?

 

[LurchAddams]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668327494678900737

Fmr. Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich says the entire senior leadership of the FBI must be terminated due to overwhelming evidence revealing deep corruption and politicization within the organization:

"I thought the Durham Report was devastating, followed up on the report of the Inspector General, which was devastating. The fact is we need a bill to break up the FBI and replace it with much more reasonable law enforcement systems and eliminate the entire senior leadership. It's clearly a corrupted institution deeply politicized on the left, and the evidence we have is just overwhelming."

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Well, if you can't trust the opinion of a right-wing hack who had to resign in shame who can you trust? <---- that was sarcasm.

HA HA, yourself!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Wrong. Your analysis is flawed.

1. The documents left with him when he and his corruption left our White House. He was no longer IMPOTUSx2 at that point and therefore he had no right to keep them.

2. He did not declassify them. In fact, he is on record -- a recording with several witnesses -- saying that the one classified war plans he was showing to them was still "secret." The EO that you referenced gives specific instructions regarding how classified materials are to be declassified. There is zero documentation that #TRE45ON followed these directions.

Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

Read Part 1 of that EO. The President is the ultimate person having authority over ANY classified document as he is the Commander in Chief of the military. Thus, he can determine the classification or declassification of any materials.

At the time he took the documents, he was still president. That he didn't formally declassify them was a mistake, but an arguable defense, however weak. Compare that to Hillary or Biden who has no such authority. Carelessness in handling classified documents is as much chargeable as deliberate intent.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Heh, good point. And when they pander to the MAGATs by defending #TRE45ON, they alienate more and more independents.

Agreed. No doubt most will vote for Biden in such a circumstance. Not all, but most.

Should Trump falter, DeSantis automatically moves into first place. That's no guarantee as Howard Dean found out, but it improves the odds.

Hillary was the front runner in 2008 until, surprise!, the Democrat leadership would rather have the junior Senator from Illinois. Go figure. LOL

In the end, DeSantis's oppressive, divisive and authoritarian approve will turn off most Independents, IMO. In that case, I think he'd still beat Biden, but not a decent, younger candidate. Who's the next best for the Democrats?

It appears the Democratic Party voters also favored the Senator from Illinois: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_2008_presidential_campaign#Results

In the fourth quarter of 2007, Clinton raised approximately $20 million, bringing her total for the year to more than $100 million.[54] This equaled the amount raised by Obama in the quarter,[55] and was also similar to what Republican fundraising Ron Paul garnered during the quarter.[55]

During January 2008, Clinton raised $13.5 million.[56] This paled in comparison to Obama's $32 million for the same month,[56] and Clinton was forced to loan her campaign $5 million from her and Bill Clinton's personal assets.[56] Further, Clinton's campaign ended January with $7.6 million in debt, aside from the personal loan.[57] Rebounding from weak fundraising in January 2008, Sen. Clinton expected to raise $35 million in February 2008—a figure rival Sen. Barack Obama's campaign said it would surpass.[58] On March 6, 2008, it was revealed that Senator Obama raised a record $55 million in February, what the Associated Press reported as the largest amount of funds raised in one month in the history of Presidential primaries.[59]

In April, it was revealed that the Clinton campaign began the month $1 million in debt.

 

[LurchAddams]

Trump is fine, he’s not in any trouble over this, in fact most Americans consider this a witch hunt.

When this is over the democrats will be far more hurt than Trump was

Yep, a 37 count indictment, trump is fine, nothing to see here <wink>

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Read Part 1 of that EO. The President is the ultimate person having authority over ANY classified document as he is the Commander in Chief of the military. Thus, he can determine the classification or declassification of any materials.

At the time he took the documents, he was still president. That he didn't formally declassify them was a mistake, but an arguable defense, however weak. Compare that to Hillary or Biden who has no such authority. Carelessness in handling classified documents is as much chargeable as deliberate intent.

How many mementoes did you take home upon retirement, Terry?

It seems times have changed the past 25+ years. Security clearances and classified material weren't treated like personal papers in my day.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

How many mementoes did you take home upon retirement, Terry?

It seems times have changed the past 25+ years. Security clearances and classified material weren't treated like personal papers in my day.

Nothing classified. I do have some stuff like a seal for one of the units I was in made by a couple of Patternmakers. I was told by everyone including the CO of the unit, if anyone I deserved it. I have some coffee cups, that sort of thing too along with challenge coins and such.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

The indictment is very thorough and concise yet comprehensive. But the thing that really hit home with me was how careless Trump was with this sensitive information and the questionable decisions he made in the process. I mean, it's hard to imagine what he was thinking and what drove him to make the decisions he did. It further highlights the fact that he's just not a very smart person. Left to his own devices, Trump is a very dangerous person.
This is going to be a slam-dunk case and much of it will be due to Trump's own ignorance and ineptitude.

Read the indictment (if you dare): https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

Don't drop the soap Trump!

 

[Joe Capitalist]

How many mementoes did you take home upon retirement, Terry?

It seems times have changed the past 25+ years. Security clearances and classified material weren't treated like personal papers in my day.

What Terry is saying is wrong. The President is NOT the ultimate person having authority over ANY classified document.

I worked at the Pentagon in the 80s and held a top secret SI/TK clearance. The theory in government is the President can only be president for eight years but top secret information goes on forever. There are things that the POTUS is not privy to. He does not have a 'need to know' so he doesn't. And to have one person have 'ultimate authority' over documents he has no knowledge or understanding of would be quite ridiculous. TA is either a flaming liar or a gullible idiot.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Nothing classified. I do have some stuff like a seal for one of the units I was in made by a couple of Patternmakers. I was told by everyone including the CO of the unit, if anyone I deserved it. I have some coffee cups, that sort of thing too along with challenge coins and such.

Why not? You seem to think it's fine for politicians to do so....well, at least the Republican ones.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Read Part 1 of that EO. The President is the ultimate person having authority over ANY classified document as he is the Commander in Chief of the military. Thus, he can determine the classification or declassification of any materials.

At the time he took the documents, he was still president. That he didn't formally declassify them was a mistake, but an arguable defense, however weak. Compare that to Hillary or Biden who has no such authority. Carelessness in handling classified documents is as much chargeable as deliberate intent.

You seem to be an intelligent person. It's sad to me how blinded you are by your partisanship. For gawds sake, take off your blinders for once and stand up for what is right. You know in your soul that what Trump did is far worse than whatever you think Clinton, Pence, or Biden stupidly/inadvertently did. Trump's actions were deliberately meant to flip the bird at our government, our military, our national secrets. Why would you want someone like that to have access to our national security ever again?

 

[ExpressLane]

The indictment is very thorough and concise yet comprehensive. But the thing that really hit home with me was how careless Trump was with this sensitive information and the questionable decisions he made in the process. I mean, it's hard to imagine what he was thinking and what drove him to make the decisions he did. It further highlights the fact that he's just not a very smart person. Left to his own devices, Trump is a very dangerous person.
This is going to be a slam-dunk case and much of it will be due to Trump's own ignorance and ineptitude.

Read the indictment (if you dare): https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

1. You are NOT a lawyer

2. You can't read above 3rd grade level.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You seem to be an intelligent person. It's sad to me how blinded you are by your partisanship. For gawds sake, take off your blinders for once and stand up for what is right. You know in your soul that what Trump did is far worse than whatever you think Clinton, Pence, or Biden stupidly/inadvertently did. Trump's actions were deliberately meant to flip the bird at our government, our military, our national secrets. Why would you want someone like that to have access to our national security ever again?

I'm not blinded by "partisanship." I'm being realistic about this based on having a security clearance for nearly 30 years. Every five years I have to fill out a form about 20 pages long detailing my life and then be interviewed to keep that clearance. I had to go to training annually on what's required when you have a security clearance.

You, and virtually everyone else here, are commenting on what you do not know or understand. I keep pointing out Hillary. What she did with that e-mail server was so obviously, egregiously, maliciously, and deliberately done that it should have been a slam dunk to put her in prison for it for 20+ years. She was a worst case scenario. She makes Trump look like an amateur.

Biden and Pence were just oblivious and stupid. They too deserve a smackdown to keep the system honest. If some poor enlisted schmuck in the military would get convicted for it, our leaders should too. But normally, they slide while only the little guy gets slammed.

Trump was stupid for his handling of this start to finish. But singling him out as a severe punitive example is wrong. If you can't charge everyone who does this shit, then don't start charging only the people you hate for it. That's what I see with Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why not? You seem to think it's fine for politicians to do so....well, at least the Republican ones.

I think it's wrong in all cases, and everyone who does it needs to be charged. What's happening with Trump is the system is singling him out because the system hates him.