OJ: Made in America

Thing1 said:
I didn't pay any attention to the trial, so had no opinion on his guilt or innocence. I was with a group of older white folks when they announced, and everyone was just stricken.

I think the one thing that one of his ex-friends said really stood out. In order for Furhman to plant that glove, he'd really have to know that OJ had no alibi, and there wasn't any way for him to know that at the time.
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I remember it well. I hoped for guilty, but knew he wouldn't be convicted. I felt devastated for the Goldman and Brown family. Seeing his sister's reaction, again in the documentary, brought a lot of emotions flooding back. I loved OJ until I got to know him through the trial, it was devastating, but I believed he was an abuser, I believed he was a narcissist, I believed he killed her with all my being and that his legal team helped him get away with murder, and that the prosecutors screwed up catastrophically.
 
Rana said:
I remember it well. I hoped for guilty, but knew he wouldn't be convicted. I felt devastated for the Goldman and Brown family. Seeing his sister's reaction, again in the documentary, brought a lot of emotions flooding back. I loved OJ until I got to know him through the trial, it was devastating, but I believed he was an abuser, I believed he was a narcissist, I believed he killed her with all my being and that his legal team helped him get away with murder, and that the prosecutors screwed up catastrophically.
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I didn't realize how badly the prosecution messed it up until I watched this documentary. They just played into the hands of the defense, every step of the way. Inept.

I feel the same way about the families of the victims. What a miscarriage of justice to have the trial become such a spectacle, and basically be focused on everything but the actual circumstances of the murders.
 
Rana said:
Blinded by the light!
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Our work is not done as OJ is wrongly in jail in Nevada at the hands of the racist judge who gave him 33 years (for the 33 million he owed)! He is up for parole next year I believe. Free the Juice! :)
 
Rana said:
I remember it well. I hoped for guilty, but knew he wouldn't be convicted. I felt devastated for the Goldman and Brown family. Seeing his sister's reaction, again in the documentary, brought a lot of emotions flooding back. I loved OJ until I got to know him through the trial, it was devastating, but I believed he was an abuser, I believed he was a narcissist, I believed he killed her with all my being and that his legal team helped him get away with murder, and that the prosecutors screwed up catastrophically.
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I admire Mr. Goldman. I feel as if he's like a literary character. This is a man who lost his beloved son and understood he'd never have his life back. He didn't try and forgive. He didn't try and let go of his hate to "find peace". He dedicated his life to making the life of the man who murdered his son a living hell. He drove him into relative poverty too and who knows what role that played in OJ's eventual decision to break into that hotel room and end up in prison for 30 years.

I think that guy is underrated as a driving force of the events in OJ's later life. I really do admire him I"m not being facetious. I don't believe in forgiveness for this kind if shit either. This guy is a literary character. It's epic.
 
Darla said:
I admire Mr. Goldman. I feel as if he's like a literary character. This is a man who lost his beloved son and understood he'd never have his life back. He didn't try and forgive. He didn't try and let go of his hate to "find peace". He dedicated his life to making the life of the man who murdered his son a living hell. He drove him into relative poverty too and who knows what role that played in OJ's eventual decision to break into that hotel room and end up in prison for 30 years.

I think that guy is underrated as a driving force of the events in OJ's later life. I really do admire him I"m not being facetious. I don't believe in forgiveness for this kind if shit either. This guy is a literary character. It's epic.
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We finally agree on something, it had to happen sooner or later!
 
I did watch the entire trial.....it was pretty obvious he would not be convicted from the get go, no blacks on that jury would go that far...... but I expected a hung jury, certainly not an acquittal....

I'm with Rana. Simpson is a cold blooded killer, 100% guilty and I hope he dies in prison
 
Thing1 said:
I didn't pay any attention to the trial, so had no opinion on his guilt or innocence. I was with a group of older white folks when they announced, and everyone was just stricken.

I think the one thing that one of his ex-friends said really stood out. In order for Furhman to plant that glove, he'd really have to know that OJ had no alibi, and there wasn't any way for him to know that at the time.
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There is also a law in california (can't find it atm) that if you frame someone for a crime, especially murder, you are eligible for the death penalty yourself.
 
Thing1 said:
I didn't realize how badly the prosecution messed it up until I watched this documentary. They just played into the hands of the defense, every step of the way. Inept.

I feel the same way about the families of the victims. What a miscarriage of justice to have the trial become such a spectacle, and basically be focused on everything but the actual circumstances of the murders.
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the prosecution did not 'mess up.' We are only saying that with 20/20 hindsight. even with all of their 'mistakes' OJ should still have been convicted lock stock and barrel.
 
Clock Town said:
the prosecution did not 'mess up.' We are only saying that with 20/20 hindsight. even with all of their 'mistakes' OJ should still have been convicted lock stock and barrel.
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I don't think it's hindsight. The glove thing was egregious - even Clark knew it. They had no idea what would happen; they were just rolling the dice, going for a dramatic courtroom moment, and it backfired.

At best, that's incredibly careless.
 
Darla said:
I admire Mr. Goldman. I feel as if he's like a literary character. This is a man who lost his beloved son and understood he'd never have his life back. He didn't try and forgive. He didn't try and let go of his hate to "find peace". He dedicated his life to making the life of the man who murdered his son a living hell. He drove him into relative poverty too and who knows what role that played in OJ's eventual decision to break into that hotel room and end up in prison for 30 years.

I think that guy is underrated as a driving force of the events in OJ's later life. I really do admire him I"m not being facetious. I don't believe in forgiveness for this kind if shit either. This guy is a literary character. It's epic.
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Yes, of all the characters in this fiasco he was the one who still stands out in my mind. I never want to imagine what he has been through.
 
cawacko said:
Our work is not done as OJ is wrongly in jail in Nevada at the hands of the racist judge who gave him 33 years (for the 33 million he owed)! He is up for parole next year I believe. Free the Juice! :)
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Nope, I hope he dies in prison.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't think it's hindsight. The glove thing was egregious - even Clark knew it. They had no idea what would happen; they were just rolling the dice, going for a dramatic courtroom moment, and it backfired.

At best, that's incredibly careless.
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The gloves, I remember that moment more than Cato's racism, reasonable doubt.
 
Okay Cawacko I saw the jury interviews. The old bitch was the worse one do you want my thoughts on her? She has the iq of a fence post. What does "i have no respect for a woman who takes a beating she don't have to take" mean? What kind of brainless drivel is that? Then she says if you are in over your head get out of the water. Making it obvious it had completely escaped this moron during the entire trial, and during the 20 subsequent years, that Nicole HAD left and that's why he killed her.

I'll tell you, I have a feeling one of these days Mr. Goldman is going to get some good news about that old bat too.

As for the other two, the one of them is in some sort of trance? I never really got a feel for what she is saying. The last one, I understood her. I get the feeling of rage for what these fuckers were doing on that police force. I forgot about that Korean lady who shot that teenaged girl in the freaking head for no reason and then was let go on probation by that white idiot, who went on to have a career - I checked! I mean, really it's infuriating. (but you know, she wasn't a juror anyway, my mistake, this was the community activist)

Saying the lives of Nicole and Ron and the pain their families endured didn't matter, was never the answer. It just was never going to make all that right
 
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Thing1 said:
I thought some of those admissions were pretty stunning.

I was also surprised by some of the comments from black leaders about the reaction of that community to the verdict. OJ's guilt or innocence really didn't make a difference. The trial had completely become about Mark Fuhrman.
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Thats how its done, fool.....change the subject....typical.....

Fuhrman using racist remarks was totally irrelevant to who was a murderer....

and as far as the glove......why would an ill fitting glove prove anything one way or the other....and ordinary common sense should tell people that
leather soaked in water or blood would cause it to shrink.....and they were told that....

they were mesmerized by the line...if the glove don't fit, you must acquit....like children.
 
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Thing1 said:
I don't think it's hindsight. The glove thing was egregious - even Clark knew it. They had no idea what would happen; they were just rolling the dice, going for a dramatic courtroom moment, and it backfired.

At best, that's incredibly careless.
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myself, as a rational juror, might be like... oh he's wearing a glove underneath the other glove... yeah things shrink...

The DNA evidence alone would still be there.
 
Darla said:
Okay Cawacko I saw the jury interviews. The old bitch was the worse one do you want my thoughts on her? She has the iq of a fence post. What does "i have no respect for a woman who takes a beating she don't have to take" mean? What kind of brainless drivel is that? Then she says if you are in over your head get out of the water. Making it obvious it had completely escaped this moron during the entire trial, and during the 20 subsequent years, that Nicole HAD left and that's why he killed her.

I'll tell you, I have a feeling one of these days Mr. Goldman is going to get some good news about that old bat too.

As for the other two, the one of them is in some sort of trance? I never really got a feel for what she is saying. The last one, I understood her. I get the feeling of rage for what these fuckers were doing on that police force. I forgot about that Korean lady who shot that teenaged girl in the freaking head for no reason and then was let go on probation by that white idiot, who went on to have a career - I checked! I mean, really it's infuriating. (but you know, she wasn't a juror anyway, my mistake, this was the community activist)

Saying the lives of Nicole and Ron and the pain their families endured didn't matter, was never the answer. It just was never going to make all that right
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After listening to the jurors do you think there would ever be a guilty verdict based on their mindset? (actual question, not rhetorical). I mean the prosecution could and should have done better but would it have mattered? From a strictly results perspective Johnny Cochran was brilliant in how he turned into a trial about the LAPD.
 
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