Ohio school district allows staff to be armed: 'Our schools will no longer be soft ta

Concart said:
California ranks 6th in fewest firearm deaths per 100k. New York ranks 4th.

Ooops.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-deaths-by-state-ranked/6/
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Is that total or percentage? Does it include suicides? Gun banners loooove to fluff up their numbers by using suicides to ban AR-15s even though most suicides are a single shot from a pistol. LOL

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-deaths-surge-20-year-high-2020-pandemic-cdc-reports/
"Nearly 5,000 more lives were lost to gun homicide in 2020 than in 2019. Gun suicides remained at historically high levels. Guns were the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, accounting for more deaths than COVID-19, car crashes, or cancer," the Johns Hopkins report said.

But while virtually all demographic groups and in every region of the country saw the rate of gun homicides climb in 2020, CDC researchers found the worst increases were experienced by Americans who were younger, male, or Black.
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https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0510-vs-firearm-deathrates.html
Firearm homicide rates are consistently highest among males, adolescents, young adults, and non-Hispanic Black and non-Hispanic American Indian and Alaska Native (AI/AN) people. In 2020, firearm homicide rates increased across all age groups, with the highest rates and increases observed among those 10–44 years old. Considering age, sex, and race/ethnicity simultaneously, the largest increases in firearm homicide rates were among non-Hispanic Black males 10–44 years old.

The overall firearm suicide rate remained nearly level between 2019 and 2020, with age-specific rate increases among persons 10–44 years old, partially offset by a decrease among those 45–64 years old. Considering age, sex, and race/ethnicity simultaneously, rates of firearm suicide increased most notably among non-Hispanic AI/AN males aged 10–44.
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Doc Dutch said:
Is that total or percentage? Does it include suicides? Gun banners loooove to fluff up their numbers by using suicides to ban AR-15s even though most suicides are a single shot from a pistol. LOL

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-deaths-surge-20-year-high-2020-pandemic-cdc-reports/


https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0510-vs-firearm-deathrates.html
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Take a good look at the list. The states with the toughest gun laws have the fewest deaths. Fact. So the bullshit about laws not working is just that. Bullshit.
 
leaningright said:
Never was a truer statement than the bolded above.
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Nope. Tougher gun laws equals fewer gun deaths. You can attempt to obsfucate with this suicide pads the numbers crap, but that's exactly what it is. Crap. You want to have fewer gun restrictions, just say so, but suggesting these laws don't reduce deaths is intellectually dishonest and false. You are willing to see more people die so you can own whatever weapon you want and carry it wherever you want. Just stop being dishonest about it.
 
ExpressLane said:
Ohio school district allows staff to be armed: 'Our schools will no longer be soft targets'

An Ohio school district's new policy allows teachers and school staff to be armed over concerns of response times to active shooters.

The River Valley Local School District in rural Marion County joins 22 other school districts in the state that permit approved staff members to carry weapons on campus, according to the Marion Star.

"Our schools will no longer be soft targets and unprotected," Superintendent Adam Wickham said, according to the outlet. "Most active-shooter events occur in areas of ‘gun-free zones’ or with minimal safety measures in place. We want to ensure our schools will not be soft targets."

"As a rural community, response times can often be minutes away in the event of an active shooter," Wickham went on. "The use of armed staff in our buildings can potentially save lives by providing a more immediate response to the threat. Recent school shootings such as in Nashville, Uvalde and Parkland clearly show that the quicker the response time, the more likely you are to potentially save lives."....

....The superintendent said that each of the school district's four buildings — which include a high school, a middle school and two elementary schools — will have an armed staff member in addition to the school resource officer on campus from the Marion County Sheriff’s Office.....

.....According to Wickham, armed staff in the district will require more training than that recommended by the state. In 2020, the district required a total of 50 hours of training.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-sch...at-our-schools-will-no-longer-be-soft-targets
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Hardening the target is the only way to reduce school shootings. Laws will not take guns out of the hands of criminals. Someone that is willing to murder won't follow gun laws.
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THE DREAM IS COMING TRUE! Selah! Oh joyful day! Now elementary schools will be armed encampments.

MORE GUNS! Oh yes! What a glorious day. A TRUE SIGN OF A FULLY FUNCTIONAL SOCIETY MADE UP OF SANE AND RATIONAL PEOPLE.

The NRA WON! YAY! Let the blood flow!
 
And speaking of suicide...... where guns are available, there are more suicides. Gosh, I wonder if there is some kind of correlation there. Hmmmmm.
 
Concart said:
Take a good look at the list. The states with the toughest gun laws have the fewest deaths. Fact. So the bullshit about laws not working is just that. Bullshit.
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Yes, so they commit suicide by other means?

The fact you and like-minded gun banners think stripping innocent Americans of their rights is preferable to better mental health care is, IMO, the #1 reason why 74% of American voters refuse to be Democrats.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
2023 Mar 1-23
Republicans 25%
Independents 49%
Democrats 25%
 
Doc Dutch said:
Yes, so they commit suicide by other means?

The fact you and like-minded gun banners think stripping innocent Americans of their rights is preferable to better mental health care is, IMO, the #1 reason why 74% of American voters refuse to be Democrats.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
2023 Mar 1-23
Republicans 25%
Independents 49%
Democrats 25%
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Once again, stop putting words in my mouth and discuss the topic honestly. I never said that, nor do I believe it. But this is not a binary choice. Do both. Not one or the other. Well, at least I don't belong to a party that never elects anyone and hasn't accomplished anything. I'll stick to being a Democrat. I wonder how many Americans would refuse to be Libertarians. I'd say most. Good luck with that.

You seem averse to discussing the correlation between stronger gun laws and fewer gun deaths.

I don't blame you.
 
Mr.Badguy said:
It's almost as if when you make taking lives easier, more lives get taken?
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I think the suicide rate is tied both to more availability to guns and worse mental health care. Because these are almost all southern states we're talking about. But yes. It is much easier and most importantly much quicker a means of suicide. How many have come back from a suicide attempt and went on to be happy and productive. The answer if a firearm is used is zero.
 
Concart said:
Once again, stop putting words in my mouth and discuss the topic honestly. I never said that, nor do I believe it. But this is not a binary choice. Do both. Not one or the other. Well, at least I don't belong to a party that never elects anyone and hasn't accomplished anything. I'll stick to being a Democrat. I wonder how many Americans would refuse to be Libertarians. I'd say most. Good luck with that.
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My apologies. I didn't mean to upset your vision of a Democratic Utopia.

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Doc Dutch said:
My apologies. I didn't mean to upset your vision of a Democratic Utopia.

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Your method of debate seems to be crafting strawmen. You aren't that good at it.

But isn't it funny that Democratic states have fewer gun deaths, fewer suicides, are better educated, better off financially and healthier? Gosh, isn't that strange? How are things in Libertarian controlled states.

Oh wait. Never mind.
 
Concart said:
Your method of debate seems to be crafting strawmen. You aren't that good at it.

But isn't it funny that Democratic states have fewer gun deaths, fewer suicides, are better educated, better off financially and healthier? Gosh, isn't that strange? How are things in Libertarian controlled states.

Oh wait. Never mind.
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Yet I have fun. Life is short. :)

I'd have to see more exact data since yours seems to be biased. Not saying it's a lie, just that it presents the data in a way favorable to your political ends.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Yet I have fun. Life is short. :)

I'd have to see more exact data since yours seems to be biased. Not saying it's a lie, just that it presents the data in a way favorable to your political ends.
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I'm really presenting it in a completely objective light. The source is CBS News, and there is no editorial conclusion reached in that article. And this isn't an outlier, it is true year after year. I do appreciate your willingness to look further, which separates you from the morons that we both do with battle with on a daily basis :)
 
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