Oh No! They want to cut VA spending!! OMGzers!

Damn Yankee said:
Dixie, if they cut spending, these bureaucrats and their high salaries would be the last to be cut.
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And therein lies the reason people go into "'screaming conniption' mode", as you so quaintly put it.

And Dixie, just as an FYI, when you say "...not because they really give two shits about veterans...", you are absolutely wrong about many of the people who argued against cutting VA spending. We argued our position specifically because we give a shit about the veterans. Some of us actually believe the positions we argued, and are not simply following some party line.
 
From the Bureau of Labor Statistics on job opportunities in the armed forces:

Healthcare officers provide health services at military facilities on the basis of their area of specialization. Officers who examine, diagnose, and treat patients with illness, injury, or disease include physicians, registered nurses, and dentists. Other officers provide therapy, rehabilitative treatment, and additional healthcare services for patients. Physical and occupational therapists plan and administer therapy to help patients adjust to disabilities, regain independence, and return to work. Speech therapists evaluate and treat patients with hearing and speech problems. Dietitians manage food service facilities and plan meals for hospital patients and for outpatients who need special diets. Pharmacists manage the purchase, storage, and dispensing of drugs and medicines. Physicians and surgeons in this occupational group provide the majority of medical services to the military and their families. Dentists treat diseases, disorders, and injuries of the mouth. Optometrists treat vision problems by prescribing eyeglasses or contact lenses. Psychologists provide mental healthcare and also conduct research on behavior and emotions.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos249.htm
 
christiefan915 said:
Dr. Michael V. Tirabassi, MD - General Surgery - Birmingham, AL
Dr. Stuart X Stephenson, MD - Orthopedic Surgery - Birmingham, AL
Davis James G Dr in Birmingham, Alabama 35205 - al.com
Szymela Victor F DMD MD Dentist Dentist in Birmingham, AL 35234
Choikiatikul, Virasak, Md - V A Medical Ctr-Tuskegee - Tuskegee ..
Dr. Mary Hawn, Surgeon - Doctor MD in Birmingham, AL - Surgery
Weston J Welker, MD - Family Practice, Huntsville, AL
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Dixie said:
I copied this from a job description for Medical Officer in Memphis with the VA...

Responsibilities include but are not limited to participation in development of patient care programs for new services, oversight of quality and performance improvement activities of the medical staff and hospital, guidance in compliance and regulatory matters, participation in case management and utilization review activities, communication between the administration and medical staff, aid in physician recruitment, interaction with payers and insurance companies, managed care plans and employers, participation in development and installation of information systems and clinical documentation programs.

Does this sound lie a DOCTOR, or a BUREAUCRAT?

And what the fuck do you mean, you don't find $296,000 salaries to be outrageous for a federal employee? Just how the fuck much do you think we should pay civil servants?
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copying something about someone is memphis does not support your claim for someone in alabama. as christie and SM pointed out, they are practicing doctors. maybe the salaries are much lower in alabama, but here, those are not high salaries, especially surgeons which i believe SM found was the case for the first person you listed.

do you have more evidence for your claim that the people you listed are not practicing doctors, instead merely admin?
 
Yurt said:
copying something about someone is memphis does not support your claim for someone in alabama. as christie and SM pointed out, they are practicing doctors. maybe the salaries are much lower in alabama, but here, those are not high salaries, especially surgeons which i believe SM found was the case for the first person you listed.

do you have more evidence for your claim that the people you listed are not practicing doctors, instead merely admin?
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Oh shut the fuck up you wishy-washy half-assed HACK! A Federal Employee who is a Medical Officer in Memphis, TN, is not ANY DIFFERENT than a Federal Employee who is a Medical Officer in Alabama! It's the SAME FUCKING JOB you idiot!

I don't know if these people "practice" or not... hell, for that price, they ought to be healing lepers! Why does Alabama need over 200 of them, all making over $200k a year?
 
Dixie said:
Oh shut the fuck up you wishy-washy half-assed HACK! A Federal Employee who is a Medical Officer in Memphis, TN, is not ANY DIFFERENT than a Federal Employee who is a Medical Officer in Alabama! It's the SAME FUCKING JOB you idiot!

I don't know if these people "practice" or not... hell, for that price, they ought to be healing lepers! Why does Alabama need over 200 of them, all making over $200k a year?
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when dixie gets busted, out comes the wishy washy claims by dixie

:rolleyes:

you claimed they were admin, they are actually not and are practicing doctors, so must insult yurt with baseless comments.
 
WinterBorn said:
And therein lies the reason people go into "'screaming conniption' mode", as you so quaintly put it.

And Dixie, just as an FYI, when you say "...not because they really give two shits about veterans...", you are absolutely wrong about many of the people who argued against cutting VA spending. We argued our position specifically because we give a shit about the veterans. Some of us actually believe the positions we argued, and are not simply following some party line.
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WB, I don't have any problem in the world with my tax dollars going to fund medical care for veterans, or to provide them with all the benefits we can afford. I think our men and women in uniform deserve everything we can give them, in terms of benefits and perks... but this is crazy! In Alabama, there are over 200 people making over $200k a year, working for the VA!

We've got a budget problem, and according to Obama, we're supposed to be having an "adult conversation" about what we cut and what we save, but it doesn't appear the left wants to have that "adult conversation" when it comes to the out of control Federal Employees Unions, and shit like this! To top it off, we have idiots like Yurt chiming in with... Aww, it's not all that much money... those salaries aren't too high! I think YURT must be HIGH if he thinks $200k a year isn't that high of a salary!

When I pulled this list up, of Federal Employees in Alabama, and ordered the list by Salary, I expected to see the Postmaster... FBI Director for Alabama.. maybe the Agricultural Director... TSA Administrators... things like that. I expected to see maybe a dozen or so, with top-level salaries for their top-level Federal positions... I didn't expect to see the list filled with "Medical Officers" for the VA! Now, it wouldn't bother me if it were half a dozen or even a dozen of them, making $200k a year, perhaps I could rationalize that... but over 200 people, making over $200k a year? How the hell can ANYONE not find that a bit excessive?
 
Dixie said:
WB, I don't have any problem in the world with my tax dollars going to fund medical care for veterans, or to provide them with all the benefits we can afford. I think our men and women in uniform deserve everything we can give them, in terms of benefits and perks... but this is crazy! In Alabama, there are over 200 people making over $200k a year, working for the VA!

We've got a budget problem, and according to Obama, we're supposed to be having an "adult conversation" about what we cut and what we save, but it doesn't appear the left wants to have that "adult conversation" when it comes to the out of control Federal Employees Unions, and shit like this! To top it off, we have idiots like Yurt chiming in with... Aww, it's not all that much money... those salaries aren't too high! I think YURT must be HIGH if he thinks $200k a year isn't that high of a salary!

When I pulled this list up, of Federal Employees in Alabama, and ordered the list by Salary, I expected to see the Postmaster... FBI Director for Alabama.. maybe the Agricultural Director... TSA Administrators... things like that. I expected to see maybe a dozen or so, with top-level salaries for their top-level Federal positions... I didn't expect to see the list filled with "Medical Officers" for the VA! Now, it wouldn't bother me if it were half a dozen or even a dozen of them, making $200k a year, perhaps I could rationalize that... but over 200 people, making over $200k a year? How the hell can ANYONE not find that a bit excessive?
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I agree that this list shows a huge number of highly paid people for a relatively small geographic area.

If we can cut that in half, or even farm some of the work out to local MDs, I would go along with that.
 
Yurt said:
when dixie gets busted, out comes the wishy washy claims by dixie

:rolleyes:

you claimed they were admin, they are actually not and are practicing doctors, so must insult yurt with baseless comments.
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Yurt, a "medical officer" with the Veterans Administration, is an administrative position. I posted the job description for the position to prove that. The fact that these particular administrative officers are also physicians, is not surprising, I think it might be a prerequisite to be a "medical officer" ....wouldn't ya think? Just like, it's probably a safe bet that most of them are also veterans of the military... just a hunch! All this really means is, they not only get the $200k salary from the Fed, they get an income from their private practices as well... AND they get their military pensions!

I tell ya, it's got me thinking about going back to school to get my doctorate, so I can apply for "medical officer" for the VA! That's got to be one of the sweetest gigs out there!
 
Damn Yankee said:
Then prove your ACCUSATION. show me where I ever said 'screaming conniption', liar.
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WinterBorn said:
First show me where I attributed that quote to you.
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I SAID "SCREAMING CONNIPTION" BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!

You got a problem with the quote, take it up with ME!

Let me be clear on this, I don't blame Democrats for VA Medical Officers in Alabama making over $200k a year... I blame BOTH parties! The Democrats never want to cut ANY spending, and Republicans want to cut everything BUT things to do with the military or veterans. So, what we have, is an out of control Federal bureaucracy which never gets addressed. Each year, these yahoos get an automatic pay increase due to cost of living, it's built in, they don't even have to ask for it. They are currently making about 3x more than their private sector counterparts, who've mostly had their pay frozen in recent years. Until we roll up our sleeves and take a serious look at these little Federal "safe havens" where people just keep making more and more money for administrative jobs with the government, we can't get our budget under control.
 
is there a vet or someone currently in the military than can state a medical officer is also a practicing doctor and not just an admin position. i'm fairly certain dixie is wrong.
 
is this acceptable dixie?

http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/job-search/medical-officer-0602.html

Jobtitle Job Location Public Department Posted Deadline
Physician Pediatrics Or, Canada Pub Army 02/24/11 03/24/11
Physician Pediatrics SCHOFIELD BARRACKS, HI Pub Army 02/24/11 03/24/11
Physician Psychiatry TACOMA, WA Pub Veterans Affairs 02/24/11 02/23/12
Medical Officer General Practice Or, Canada Pub Army 02/24/11 03/21/11
Medical Officer General Practice FORT LEE, VA Pub Army 02/24/11 03/21/11
Medical Officer Internal Medicine Or, Canada Pub Army 02/23/11 03/11/11
Medical Officer Internal Medicine FAYETTEVILLE, NC Pub Army 02/23/11 03/11/11
Physician Orthopedic Hand Surgeon MINNEAPOLIS, MN Pub Veterans Affairs 02/23/11 04/04/11
Medical Officer Psychiatry Or, Canada Pub Army 02/23/11 03/22/11
Medical Officer Psychiatry FORT CAMPBELL, KY Pub Army 02/23/11 03/22/11
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as you can see....even doctors are called medical officers
 
Yurt said:
is there a vet or someone currently in the military than can state a medical officer is also a practicing doctor and not just an admin position. i'm fairly certain dixie is wrong.
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Yurt said:
is this acceptable dixie?

http://federalgovernmentjobs.us/job-search/medical-officer-0602.html

as you can see....even doctors are called medical officers
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AS I SAID YURT.... The fact that a "Medical Officer" might also be an actual Medical Doctor, is not real surprising or unusual, in my opinion... I would EXPECT that to be the case, actually! It's kind of like the Surgeon General is a Doctor... it comes with the territory, it's to be expected. This doesn't mean the Surgeon General is a Surgeon, or that he sees patients!

BUT... EVEN IF... every one of these yahoos are practicing physicians who DO see patients... we need 200 of them in Alabama, working for the VA at $200k+ a year???
 
Damn Yankee said:
Fucking liar. :fu:
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Fucking retard. I quoted your post, and then addressed Dixie. The quote was in the OP, and that was what I was addressing, with your post as something with which I agreed.

Try and stay with the topic and quite being such a colossal prick.
 
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