Oh goodie (not). Now Chevron can have our emails too!

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tekkychick

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/chevron-ecuador-american-email-legal-activists-journalists

Thanks to disclosures made by Edward Snowden, Americans have learned that their email records are not necessarily safe from the National Security Agency—but a new ruling shows that they're not safe from big oil companies, either.

Last month, a federal court granted Chevron access to nine years of email metadata—which includes names, time stamps, and detailed location data and login info, but not content—belonging to activists, lawyers, and journalists who criticized the company for drilling in Ecuador and leaving behind a trail of toxic sludge and leaky pipelines. Since 1993, when the litigation began, Chevron has lost multiple appeals and has been ordered to pay plaintiffs from native communities about $19 billion to cover the cost of environmental damage. Chevron alleges that it is the victim of a mass extortion conspiracy, which is why the company is asking Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft, which owns Hotmail, to cough up the email data. When Lewis Kaplan, a federal judge in New York, granted the Microsoft subpoena last month, he ruled it didn't violate the First Amendment because Americans weren't among the people targeted.

Now Mother Jones has learned that the targeted accounts do include Americans—a revelation that calls the validity of the subpoena into question. The First Amendment protects the right to speak anonymously, and in cases involving Americans, courts have often quashed subpoenas seeking to discover the identities and locations of anonymous internet users. Earlier this year, a different federal judge quashed Chevron's attempts to seize documents from Amazon Watch, one of the company's most vocal critics. That judge said the subpoena was a violation of the group's First Amendment rights. In this case, though, that same protection has not been extended to activists, journalists, and lawyers' email metadata.
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The NSA thing didn't really bother me.

This, however, does - why would an oil company be granted this kind of access?

Calling Woodward & Bernstein...
 
the court was right about lack of standing

tell me which part you disagree with...and do you realize how many emails/ip's were actually subpoenaed?
 
Yurt said:
the court was right about lack of standing

tell me which part you disagree with...and do you realize how many emails/ip's were actually subpoenaed?
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The part where Chevron got access to all the meta-data about the emails. They aren't a govt agency.

Does it really matter how many were involved? Is that how you feel about the NSA? "oh, it's ok, they're just grabbing X amount".

A private company shouldn't be allowed a fishing expedition .

But hey, if you're ok with it- that's you.
 
tekkychick said:
The part where Chevron got access to all the meta-data about the emails. They aren't a govt agency.

Does it really matter how many were involved? Is that how you feel about the NSA? "oh, it's ok, they're just grabbing X amount".

A private company shouldn't be allowed a fishing expedition .

But hey, if you're ok with it- that's you.
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what is the big deal about the meta-data that they went through legal channels to get on only 30 emails. your OP makes it as if it is hundreds of thousands and that the ruling means any company can now have access to meta-data. that simply is not true....they specifically requested the data through a subpoena, they can't just get anyone's data, the people's data were related to the case.

it is not a fishing expedition...they have no access to the content of the emails.

and i don't support the NSA spying. stop being a knee jerk hyper partisan.
 
Yurt said:
what is the big deal about the meta-data that they went through legal channels to get on only 30 emails. your OP makes it as if it is hundreds of thousands and that the ruling means any company can now have access to meta-data. that simply is not true....they specifically requested the data through a subpoena, they can't just get anyone's data, the people's data were related to the case.

it is not a fishing expedition...they have no access to the content of the emails.

and i don't support the NSA spying. stop being a knee jerk hyper partisan.
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It is a shame the Raging Cajun is banned otherwise he could try to defend his old company. He has been trying to deny that Chevron has any case to answer at all. It's a shame that BP didn't try litigation to the death as exemplified by the likes of Chevron, Exxon, Dow or in the case of Occidental Petroleum and Piper Alpha just up sticks and fuck off back to the USA.
 
Yurt said:
care to respond to my post without hyperbole?
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Honestly, Yurt, I'm hoping you disappear off the board again. I'm pretty sure if I had been pro-chevron you would have been anti-chevron. So I really don't care what you say or what you think.

My comment had zero hyperbole in it. I was just acknowledging your position.
 
tekkychick said:
Honestly, Yurt, I'm hoping you disappear off the board again. I'm pretty sure if I had been pro-chevron you would have been anti-chevron. So I really don't care what you say or what you think.

My comment had zero hyperbole in it. I was just acknowledging your position.
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so you run away from actual debate....got it

if you can't handle my responses, put me on ignore....we don't need to see your whiny responses
 
tekkychick said:
So you're cool with a private company getting our data, but not the govt.

Good to know.
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Actually, it seems YOU'RE the one thats cool with the gov. destroying our privacy but not a private company....

You probably won't be cool about it when the Conservatives take over in DC though.....nor will you be cool with the IRS prsecuting certain political groups or
coverups like Benghazi and killing people by drones on some presidents whim then.....
 
They actually followed the 4th Amendment thing that government appears to be ignoring and so many are so willing to get rid of to feel safer...

Unfortunately feeling safer doesn't actually make you safer, and getting rid of freedoms is never a good alternative.

Now, seeking a court order for specific defined records, that is allowed under your 4th Amendment protections from government, just taking everything put out in some city so a computer can drag through it all to find the needle in the haystack and "analysts" can pull it up just because they feel curious? Not so much.
 
this is golden.....

flashing neon on gas pump "See Attendant Inside".....

"Sir, I'm afraid your card is being denied"

"Why"

"It says your an anti-oil activist and you aren't allowed to buy gasoline"
 
Thing1 said:
The NSA thing didn't really bother me.

This, however, does - why would an oil company be granted this kind of access?

Calling Woodward & Bernstein...
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So wait, a government agency with the power to prosecute and arrest you is fine, but an oil company that can.....well I guess see if you're buying their gas or not is over the line?

Please tell me I am just inept at reading your sarcasm.
 
tekkychick said:
Honestly, Yurt, I'm hoping you disappear off the board again. I'm pretty sure if I had been pro-chevron you would have been anti-chevron. So I really don't care what you say or what you think.
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How do you know that?

tekkychick said:
My comment had zero hyperbole in it. I was just acknowledging your position.
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I think he is implying that you don't really know and/or care what his actual position is.
 
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