Odd Time for a "Taxed Enough Already" Movement

Superfreak said:
and WHO do they quote as their source for the data twit? That's right... the liberal idiots at Center for American Progess.



Which again, is not a shock in the least. Anyone who understands how taxes work will know that after a collapse in the market and massive losses of jobs that total tax revenues would be down. Especially when you add in the potential loss of property taxes in states where those adjustments are made annually on market value of property.

The point which you and the idiots at the CfAP don't comprehend is that people are not protesting the taxes they paid THIS year. So the point is moot in terms of what the tea party is talking about.



One does not have to be a member of the Tea Party to be intelligent enough to understand what they are protesting. Only complete morons such as yourself seem to be having a problem with understanding the basic principle they are pissed about.



Again twit... they are talking about tax rates... they don't want tax rates going higher. Which IF the massive spending continues will be inevitable. Only morons would come to the conclusion they mean 'hey we paid more in 2009'. That is simply the idiotic spin that comes from wingnut groups like Center for American Progress.... and only greater fools fall for their spin.



Not in the least. I just went with the standard bullshit line from the left. Given that you are such a lemming, it was a safe assumption to make.



On that point, I will agree to an extent. Partisanship certainly is playing a role in this. Bush and the Rep Congress were hardly fiscally responsible either. That said, it was the TARP and the 'stimulus' packages which set the tea party formation into motion. Such back to back massive expenditures with seemingly little recapture for the taxpayer pissed a lot of people off. Add in the fact that sooner or later we would thus have to pay back that debt via higher taxes and any sane person can see why people were pissed.

One thing you ignore is that there are also independents in the tea party movement and more independents who agree that the massive spending is not sustainable. Even a layman can connect the dots to between what is occurring in Greece and the direction we are heading with our national debt.
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The main quote in the article was from the Bureau for Economic Analysis, who also says that we are paying the lowest taxes since Truman. So, WHAT'S the scoop on the BEA?
 
And then there is the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities that says basically the same thing. Is there any respected non-baised organization that counters these findings?
 
freaks trying to spin it that taxes are down due to the recession, as you powned him on it's % of income that's down in taxes. Superfreak owned!!!
 
Socrtease said:
And then there is the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities that says basically the same thing. Is there any respected non-baised organization that counters these findings?
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We're paying less taxes because less people are working. Why is that difficult for you to understand?
 
Southern Man said:
We're paying less taxes because less people are working. Why is that difficult for you to understand?
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And because most people who are in the market had losses in the market that they were able to write down. In fact, they'll be able to use those losses over the next 5 years as well.

"People are paying less" is poorly measured during a recession. Of course they are, because they don't have jobs and lost money that they get to write down rather than pay taxes on profit.
 
Socrtease said:
The main quote in the article was from the Bureau for Economic Analysis, who also says that we are paying the lowest taxes since Truman. So, WHAT'S the scoop on the BEA?
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For a lawyer, you sure suck at the details. Again, the DATA is not being questioned. It is the assertion that because 2009 tax revenues were low, that somehow the Tea Party should not be protesting higher taxes. That is absurd.

I already explained WHY tax rates were low for 2009. But that has NOTHING to do with where FUTURE tax rates are expected to go. When you add massive amounts of debt to a country already deeply in debt and then project further massive increases in debt over the next ten years... well... taxes have only ONE way to go.... and it isn't down.
 
Socrtease said:
And then there is the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities that says basically the same thing. Is there any respected non-baised organization that counters these findings?
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NO ONE IS TRYING TO COUNTER THEM.

The point is this.... pretending the tea party members are protesting 2009 taxes is moronic. They are protesting the FACT that the massive debts being incurred and expected to continue being incurred are going to result in massive tax increases. That is what HAS to happen... unless we want to simply default on our debt and become like Greece.
 
Topspin said:
bs the market finish higher last year
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Inane. It finished higher than its lowest point, but that doesn't make profit from the previous losses...

When you drop 33% or more then gain back 4%, it doesn't make it a gain, it is still a loss from the original position. Now go away, you don't know enough about the subject to chime in and your responses are nonsense.
 
Topspin said:
it said taxes lower as a percentage of income. tool
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Again this is inane. Less income means lower bracket, losses mean less income. Lower bracket means lower effective rate.

1. People aren't protesting 2009 taxes.
2. People are paying less because they are making less.
 
Topspin said:
freaks trying to spin it that taxes are down due to the recession, as you powned him on it's % of income that's down in taxes. Superfreak owned!!!
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toppy... if someone isn't working (or has reduced hours/pay)... their effective tax rate goes from about 12-13% to ZERO.

If their property taxes are based on current valuations, the property tax goes DOWN when home prices tumble. That TAX as a percent of income DROPS as a result.

If people stop spending on non-essential items, the sales tax they pay as a percentage of income goes DOWN.

If someone has losses in the stock market, their taxes as a percentage of income goes DOWN.

ALL of the above are a result of the recession toppy. Even a GEDer like you should understand that.

and AGAIN... no one is disputing that it went down during 2009... at least no one I have seen.

What IS being disputed is the assertion that the tea party is protesting 2009 taxes as a percent of income, rather than protesting the upcoming tax increases that are going to occur.

Due note... in the year+ since taking office... NOTHING has been done with regards to the Bush tax cuts expiring. I wonder why.

Also note... when you jack up the national debt by 1.4 trillion dollars and project to follow it with many more years of trillion dollar deficits... taxes will go where?

UP. THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROTESTED.
 
Topspin said:
bs the market finish higher last year
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2009 EFFECTIVE TAX RATES ARE BASED ON 2008 INCOME DIPSHIT.

Side note: I would be willing to bet that most investors with losses in 2008 and early 2009 will be able to carry them forward into 2009 as well. Thus, 2010 cap gains revenues will still likely be very light.
 
Superfreak said:
2009 EFFECTIVE TAX RATES ARE BASED ON 2008 INCOME DIPSHIT.

Side note: I would be willing to bet that most investors with losses in 2008 and early 2009 will be able to carry them forward into 2009 as well. Thus, 2010 cap gains revenues will still likely be very light.
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your joking right!!! LOFL
 
Obama cut income taxes for 95% of people. Yep a bunch of your racist got scared and had losses. The market was up for the year if you didn't sell.

If income in 2009 is same as 2008 your taxes went down. All of your deflective attempts are funny as shit.
 
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