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And another example of Zappas avoiding discussing the topic while whining when others do the same.
Obama's TRUE Legacy
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Not true at all.
What we blame Obama for is failing to make any real effort to correct the situation.
In fact, Obamacare encouraged many companies to hire part time employees over full time employees which reduced family incomes.
I would argue that the country is not doing any better - we've just settled into a welfare state and come to accept it as normal.
zappasguitar
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You cite an article from 2013?
Discussing economic numbers from 2012?
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Time to Retire GOP Talking Point
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell falsely claimed that “the average person is about $3,000 or $4,000 a year worse off today than when President Obama came to office.” Real median personal income under Obama was down about $400 as of 2014, the most recent Census data available. And wages have improved since 2014.
Average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation of all private-sector workers increased 2.6 percent since the end of 2014, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That indicates that “today,” as McConnell put it, workers are a good bit better off than they were in 2014.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/time-to-retire-gop-talking-point/
You do not think that Congress had any part in Obama not improving the economy? Automation had a large hand in doing away with many high paying manufacturing jobs, did Obama have a hand in that?
What steps do you think Trump will take to bring back those high paying jobs?
Is lack of training and education also play a part in American falling behind?
Do you have proof of any claims you make? Please show how Obama encouraged part time jobs? I thought that was greedy corporations not wanting to give benefits to employees, Walmart does this.
zappasguitar
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Somehow, Obama is responsible for private industry's refusal to create more real jobs paying living wages.
Legacy? The president elect is yet to serve 1 day. LMAO. And the reality: Obama has resided over the greatest drop in the US labor force in over 40 years. But...if you want to flip burgers.... and receive foodstamps while you are flipping burgers part time..then Barry Soetoro is your man.
PostmodernProphet
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corroboration.....of what everyone including you already knew.....you can carry it back as far as you want......worst sustained unemployment of the last four presidents to start with......
https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
taking it back to 1948, which is all the farther the Department of Labor website provides data, Carter did go higher by a percentage point, but the duration was around three years less.....
zappasguitar
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corroboration.....of what everyone including you already knew.....you can carry it back as far as you want......worst sustained unemployment of the last four presidents to start with......
https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
taking it back to 1948, which is all the farther the Department of Labor website provides data, Carter did go higher by a percentage point, but the duration was around three years less.....
Even a quick perusal of your chart and it becomes clear Obama staunched the hemorrhaging of jobs caused by Bush's ignorant policies and tax cuts for his friends.
His policies turned the economy around and unemployment numbers IMMEDIATELY began to fall.
PostmodernProphet
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Sure he did.....a couple of years after he was elected...and in his sixth year he managed to get the numbers back where they were when he took office....in his eighth year to the number it was when he announced he wanted to be President.....shucks, given another couple years he might even have hit Bush's average...
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
For once, I would like one of you "conservative" (or liberals in name only) jokers to explain just how it's determined that people "give up" looking for jobs. I don't want some BS speculation, I want your valid, source material. If you can't, then you're just full of it.
zappasguitar
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ONE YEAR after he was sworn in, the UE numbers had peaked and begun to fall.
PostmodernProphet
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???....really?.....he wasn't sworn in until 2010?.....no wonder we all missed his inauguration......
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GEORGE WILL Washington Post
Any summation of Barack Obama’s impact on domestic policy and politics should begin with this: In 2008, he assured supporters, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” Soon he will be replaced by someone who says, “I alone can fix it.” So, Americans have paid Obama the compliment of choosing continuity, if only in presidential narcissism.
The nation has now had, for only the second time, three consecutive two-term presidencies. (The other was “the Virginia dynasty” of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe.) The first trio culminated in an “era of good feelings” (Monroe was re-elected unopposed). The second not so much.
Obama, who called health insurance reform the “defining struggle of this generation,” was semi-right, in two senses. Because Obamacare demonstrates the perils of trying to micromanage 18 percent of the economy (America’s health care sector is larger than all but four national economies), it might be the last gasp of New Deal/Great Society-style government hubris.
On Jan. 16, 2008, Obama told the Reno Gazette-Journal, “I want to make government cool again.” His paragraph in our national epic did not do that. On the other hand, Obama might have catalyzed a conviction already forming in the American mind, but in any case he leaves a nation that now believes public policy should enable everyone to have access to insurance.
Obama has been among the most loquacious of our presidents, but can you call to mind from his Niagara of rhetoric a memorable sentence or even phrase? If power is the ability to achieve intended effects, his rhetoric has been powerless to produce anything but an empty, inconsequential reputation for speaking well.
He assured congressional Democrats that they could safely vote for Obamacare because “you’ve got me.” He would demonstrate his magic when campaigning for it and for them. Seven years after he said this, it remains unpopular, and they are fewer than they were. There are 11 fewer senators and 62 fewer representatives than on Jan. 20, 2009.
Three presidents — George Washington, Ulysses Grant and Dwight Eisenhower — were world figures before becoming president and are remembered primarily for what they did before. Eisenhower rebuffed his aides’ requests that he make more use of a new medium for marketing himself: “I can think of nothing more boring, for the American public, than to have to sit in their living rooms for a whole half-hour looking at my face on their television screens.” Eisenhower left office very popular.
A former colleague of Obama’s on the faculty of the University of Chicago Law School described him as someone who never learned anything from anyone with whom he disagreed. He also never learned anything from anyone about constitutional etiquette.
He combined progressivism’s oldest tradition and central tenet — hostility to separation of powers — with a breezy indifference to the Take Care Clause (the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed”) and to the first sentence of the Constitution’s first article (“All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress”).
He began pioneering new dimensions in presidential lawlessness when, taking over George W. Bush’s bailout of the automobile industry, he shredded the rights of secured Chrysler bondholders. He seemed to believe there is an article in the Constitution that says presidents may make or amend laws that Congress will not make or amend.
Obama’s adventures in green energy produced the $535 million bankruptcy of Solyndra and 60 percent fewer electric cars on the road in 2015 than he had predicted. Gulliver on his travels met someone like Obama:
“He has been eight years upon a project for extracting sunbeams out of cucumbers, which were to be put in phials hermetically sealed, and let out to warm the air in raw inclement summers. He told me, he did not doubt, that, in eight years more, he should be able to supply the governor’s gardens with sunshine, at a reasonable rate: but he complained that his stock was low, and entreated me to give him something as an encouragement to ingenuity, especially since this had been a very dear season for cucumbers.”
In 2007, Obama said, “Let us transform this nation.” Judging by the nature of his successor, Obama somewhat succeeded.
http://www.wacotrib.com/opinion/col...cle_47d39766-0158-5b36-8d50-705e148efda6.html
Any summation of Barack Obama’s impact on domestic policy and politics should begin with this: In 2008, he assured supporters, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” Soon he will be replaced by someone who says, “I alone can fix it.” So, Americans have paid Obama the compliment of choosing continuity, if only in presidential narcissism.
The nation has now had, for only the second time, three consecutive two-term presidencies. (The other was “the Virginia dynasty” of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe.) The first trio culminated in an “era of good feelings” (Monroe was re-elected unopposed). The second not so much.
Obama, who called health insurance reform the “defining struggle of this generation,” was semi-right, in two senses. Because Obamacare demonstrates the perils of trying to micromanage 18 percent of the economy (America’s health care sector is larger than all but four national economies), it might be the last gasp of New Deal/Great Society-style government hubris.
On Jan. 16, 2008, Obama told the Reno Gazette-Journal, “I want to make government cool again.” His paragraph in our national epic did not do that. On the other hand, Obama might have catalyzed a conviction already forming in the American mind, but in any case he leaves a nation that now believes public policy should enable everyone to have access to insurance.
Obama has been among the most loquacious of our presidents, but can you call to mind from his Niagara of rhetoric a memorable sentence or even phrase? If power is the ability to achieve intended effects, his rhetoric has been powerless to produce anything but an empty, inconsequential reputation for speaking well.
He assured congressional Democrats that they could safely vote for Obamacare because “you’ve got me.” He would demonstrate his magic when campaigning for it and for them. Seven years after he said this, it remains unpopular, and they are fewer than they were. There are 11 fewer senators and 62 fewer representatives than on Jan. 20, 2009.
Three presidents — George Washington, Ulysses Grant and Dwight Eisenhower — were world figures before becoming president and are remembered primarily for what they did before. Eisenhower rebuffed his aides’ requests that he make more use of a new medium for marketing himself: “I can think of nothing more boring, for the American public, than to have to sit in their living rooms for a whole half-hour looking at my face on their television screens.” Eisenhower left office very popular.
A former colleague of Obama’s on the faculty of the University of Chicago Law School described him as someone who never learned anything from anyone with whom he disagreed. He also never learned anything from anyone about constitutional etiquette.
He combined progressivism’s oldest tradition and central tenet — hostility to separation of powers — with a breezy indifference to the Take Care Clause (the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed”) and to the first sentence of the Constitution’s first article (“All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress”).
He began pioneering new dimensions in presidential lawlessness when, taking over George W. Bush’s bailout of the automobile industry, he shredded the rights of secured Chrysler bondholders. He seemed to believe there is an article in the Constitution that says presidents may make or amend laws that Congress will not make or amend.
Obama’s adventures in green energy produced the $535 million bankruptcy of Solyndra and 60 percent fewer electric cars on the road in 2015 than he had predicted. Gulliver on his travels met someone like Obama:
“He has been eight years upon a project for extracting sunbeams out of cucumbers, which were to be put in phials hermetically sealed, and let out to warm the air in raw inclement summers. He told me, he did not doubt, that, in eight years more, he should be able to supply the governor’s gardens with sunshine, at a reasonable rate: but he complained that his stock was low, and entreated me to give him something as an encouragement to ingenuity, especially since this had been a very dear season for cucumbers.”
In 2007, Obama said, “Let us transform this nation.” Judging by the nature of his successor, Obama somewhat succeeded.
http://www.wacotrib.com/opinion/col...cle_47d39766-0158-5b36-8d50-705e148efda6.html
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zappasguitar
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According to YOUR chart, Obama's unemployment numbers peaked at 10.0 in October of 09!
My mistake.
That means less than NINE MONTHS after Obama had been sworn in, unemployment numbers had peaked and begun to fall.
And unemployment was 6.8 when Obama was elected.
Please, show everyone when unemployment hit 13.6 like you claim?
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
PostmodernProphet
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And six months later were still at 9.9.. ...just admit his employment statistics are the worst and stop being an idiot...
zappasguitar
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We can talk about his employment statistics and whether they were "the worst" right after you admit Obama oversaw the longest consecutive job creation streak in 75 years.
I also notice you have yet to admit you got caught lying about Obama's unemployment numbers and how high they were when they peaked.
PostmodernProphet
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???...sorry, I'm not yurt anymore....you can't get away with pretending you've won an argument every time you get an asskicking...
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zappasguitar
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You stated that, at their peak, Obama's unemployment numbers were DOUBLE what they were when he was elected.
That is a lie.
I just thought you might admit your mistake...silly me.
JPP Righties don't admit when they are wrong.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
The pencil neck geek of the GOP punditry has been practicing his brand of journalistic myopia since he helped Reagan cheat on the debates with crib notes.
Here's a reality check on jus one aspect of Will's BS:
Obamacare sign-ups hit new record even as GOP promises repeal
http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...hit-new-record-even-1481916101-htmlstory.html
Yep..part time employment at Mickey Ds and food stamps make for a good life.
Trump will bring back REAL JOBS that pay well, full time jobs with benefits...HELL he's already saved more REAL jobs than Soetoro did in 8 years and he's yet to take office. A fast food economy is laughable. But of course the Brothers do luv their Big Mac's.