Obamas pleas ignored...

Jarod said:
Because, to me, this incident made it clear and more obvious that such rhetoric is uncool and inapproperate. Not because it CAUSES this type of tragety, but because this type of tragety happens and such rhetoric MIGHT make it seem even a little bit more acceptable to a crazy person.
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What you are saying is somewhat convoluted here... You start off saying it's not because our rhetoric causes this kind of tragedy, but you end up saying it might cause this kind of tragedy! WTF? Talk about trying to have it both ways!

President Obama disagrees with you on that, by the way. He says "a simple lack of civility did not cause this tragedy." His call for more civility was out of honor and respect for the memory of those who died, to make them proud of how we handled ourselves.... not a word about it being because it "might" cause some crazy person to act... that assertion, he flat out rejected.
 
cawacko said:
Who's the "us" you are referring to?

Like I said, and it's just my opinion, to reach the greatest number of people she could have a different analogy where people didn't have to go research what it meant and give the media a chance to spin it.
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I'm sorry....US is the majority of Americans that AGREE with ME....

I thought you knew that.
 
cawacko said:
Who's the "us" you are referring to?

Like I said, and it's just my opinion, to reach the greatest number of people she could have a different analogy where people didn't have to go research what it meant and give the media a chance to spin it.
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I guess she just overestimated the intelligence of the US populace....

I didn't have a problem with the phrase and I'm not even a Jew, sorry it was over you head.
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - but you've shown that you have a really, really hard time understanding what you're reading when it comes to that issue...
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look, let's get serious......there are very few people on this board who are as stupid as you are, and none of them are conservatives.....
 
Jarod said:
Because, to me, this incident made it clear and more obvious that such rhetoric is uncool and inapproperate. Not because it CAUSES this type of tragety, but because this type of tragety happens and such rhetoric MIGHT make it seem even a little bit more acceptable to a crazy person.
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and how does that compare to the rhetoric the left has been employing since the day of the incident?......
 
Jarod said:
If you have a hart attack... and the Doctors says stop eating salt, does that mean he is blaming the hart attack on the salt? No, the Doctor knows that hart attacks happen to people who dont eat salt, and it might not have caused your hart attack, but he also knows that salt increases, even if just a little your chances of a hart attack.

So when Doctors tell a 350 lbs smoker not to eat sodium after a hart attack... are they blaming sodium?
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excellent example.....like the doctor, the left is currently focusing on the wrong problem......
 
Jarod said:
If you have a hart attack... and the Doctors says stop eating salt, does that mean he is blaming the hart attack on the salt? No, the Doctor knows that hart attacks happen to people who dont eat salt, and it might not have caused your hart attack, but he also knows that salt increases, even if just a little your chances of a hart attack.

So when Doctors tell a 350 lbs smoker not to eat sodium after a hart attack... are they blaming sodium?
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excellent example.....in this instance, yes they are.......and instead of blaming the sodium or the weight or the smoking, they are blaming something not even proven to cause hEart attacks....instead of focusing on the person.......
 
Jarod said:
I am saying that the demonization of Sarah Palin that you wish happened, did not!

She was called out for in approperate rhetoric, she was not demonized.
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and there you have it.....its not an attack if she deserved to be attacked.....
 
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cawacko said:
Obviously anything is possible but I have difficult time imaging she's going to ride a wave of 'the media is against Sarah Palin so we should make her President' campaign with any type of success.
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Or, the elites have controlled this country and the federal bureaucracy is so thick so we need a president with a record of being tough on both of them.
 
Dixie said:
What you are saying is somewhat convoluted here... You start off saying it's not because our rhetoric causes this kind of tragedy, but you end up saying it might cause this kind of tragedy! WTF? Talk about trying to have it both ways!

President Obama disagrees with you on that, by the way. He says "a simple lack of civility did not cause this tragedy." His call for more civility was out of honor and respect for the memory of those who died, to make them proud of how we handled ourselves.... not a word about it being because it "might" cause some crazy person to act... that assertion, he flat out rejected.
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You are confused, I never said it did cause this trajety. I said it could cause a trajety. You have a reading comprehension problem, and or you are being obtuse... I suspect both!

BTW, I often disagree with the president, doing so does not bother me in the least.
 
Jarod said:
You are confused, I never said it did cause this trajety. I said it could cause a trajety. You have a reading comprehension problem, and or you are being obtuse... I suspect both!

BTW, I often disagree with the president, doing so does not bother me in the least.
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No, it couldn't "cause a tragedy" ...that's your pinheaded OPINION! That is the automatic presumption you want everyone to accept, without any basis in fact! That is the very premise and argument the President (and myself) REJECTED!

Crazy people do crazy things because they are CRAZY! Our political discourse has been very heated for years and years, decades, centuries... it has, at times, been much more vitriolic than it is right now! Limiting free speech is NOT the solution to this, and we should avoid allowing our emotions and OPINIONS cloud our better judgment.

The left seeks to exploit this tragedy in order to push for more liberal gun control laws, and a return of the Fairness Doctrine. But, take a look at the "violent acts" which took place, the last time we had the Fairness Doctrine! The Kennedy assassinations, MLK, Charles Manson, Zodiac, Son of Sam, the list goes on and on... Having the FCC monitor our speech and rhetoric, did not prevent these acts of violence! People who do crazy things, are unhinged, it's not the result of political rhetoric... it's because they are mentally unstable and CRAZY!
 
Dixie said:
No, it couldn't "cause a tragedy" ...that's your pinheaded OPINION! That is the automatic presumption you want everyone to accept, without any basis in fact! That is the very premise and argument the President (and myself) REJECTED!

Crazy people do crazy things because they are CRAZY! Our political discourse has been very heated for years and years, decades, centuries... it has, at times, been much more vitriolic than it is right now! Limiting free speech is NOT the solution to this, and we should avoid allowing our emotions and OPINIONS cloud our better judgment.

The left seeks to exploit this tragedy in order to push for more liberal gun control laws, and a return of the Fairness Doctrine. But, take a look at the "violent acts" which took place, the last time we had the Fairness Doctrine! The Kennedy assassinations, MLK, Charles Manson, Zodiac, Son of Sam, the list goes on and on... Having the FCC monitor our speech and rhetoric, did not prevent these acts of violence! People who do crazy things, are unhinged, it's not the result of political rhetoric... it's because they are mentally unstable and CRAZY!
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Were these people liberals?

Daniel E. Petersen

Richard T. Serafin

Dean Pleasant

Don Benny Anderson

John Salvi

John Brockhoeft

Perry Landis

Paul Darland

Ron Cole

Bradford Metcalf

Kenneth Carter

Randy Graham

John Maurice Stephenson

Robert Starr III

Troy Spain

Jimmy McCranie

Finis Walker

David Belliveau

Kenneth B. Kimbley Jr

Eric Rudolph

Justin Carl Moose

Paul Ross Evans

James Kopp

Paul Jennings Hill

Scott Roeder

Michael F. Griffin

Peter James Knight

Matt Goldsby

Jimmy Simmons

Kathy Simmons

Kaye Wiggins

David Koresh

Martin Uphoff

John Earl

Patricia Hughes

Jeremy Dunahoe

David McMenemy

Chad Altman

Sergio Baca

Matthew L. Derosia

Clayton Waagner

Michael Fortier

Terry Nichols

Lori Fortier

Bruce Edwards Ivins

James W. Von Brunn

John Patrick Bedell
 
Dixie said:
No, it couldn't "cause a tragedy" ...that's your pinheaded OPINION! That is the automatic presumption you want everyone to accept, without any basis in fact! That is the very premise and argument the President (and myself) REJECTED!

Crazy people do crazy things because they are CRAZY! Our political discourse has been very heated for years and years, decades, centuries... it has, at times, been much more vitriolic than it is right now! Limiting free speech is NOT the solution to this, and we should avoid allowing our emotions and OPINIONS cloud our better judgment.

The left seeks to exploit this tragedy in order to push for more liberal gun control laws, and a return of the Fairness Doctrine. But, take a look at the "violent acts" which took place, the last time we had the Fairness Doctrine! The Kennedy assassinations, MLK, Charles Manson, Zodiac, Son of Sam, the list goes on and on... Having the FCC monitor our speech and rhetoric, did not prevent these acts of violence! People who do crazy things, are unhinged, it's not the result of political rhetoric... it's because they are mentally unstable and CRAZY!
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We also have along history of gun violence against our leaders. I am not sugesting any speech laws be enacted or enforced... so I am not trying to limit the freedom of speech. I am against the limitations of speech on televisoion or radio, I was very unhappy with GWB's FCC's reaction to Janet Jackson and Howard Stern.
 
Mojo said:
Were these people liberals?

Daniel E. Petersen

Richard T. Serafin

Dean Pleasant

Don Benny Anderson

John Salvi

John Brockhoeft

Perry Landis

Paul Darland

Ron Cole

Bradford Metcalf

Kenneth Carter

Randy Graham

John Maurice Stephenson

Robert Starr III

Troy Spain

Jimmy McCranie

Finis Walker

David Belliveau

Kenneth B. Kimbley Jr

Eric Rudolph

Justin Carl Moose

Paul Ross Evans

James Kopp

Paul Jennings Hill

Scott Roeder

Michael F. Griffin

Peter James Knight

Matt Goldsby

Jimmy Simmons

Kathy Simmons

Kaye Wiggins

David Koresh

Martin Uphoff

John Earl

Patricia Hughes

Jeremy Dunahoe

David McMenemy

Chad Altman

Sergio Baca

Matthew L. Derosia

Clayton Waagner

Michael Fortier

Terry Nichols

Lori Fortier

Bruce Edwards Ivins

James W. Von Brunn

John Patrick Bedell
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Since this is all you seem to know how to post, I am putting you on the ignore list... Sorry, hate it for ya... been nice talking,,, NOT!

Buh bye!
 
Jarod said:
Conservatives, not all, took the point many liberals were trying to make. That the rhetoric needs to chance and is inapprpoerate and changed it to..., the liberals are blaming Sarah Palin.


I heard NO liberal blame anyone other than the murderer.

Rush has you guys so indocternated into this theem of taking what a liberal said to an extreem and then using it against them, that you dont even know when you are doing it.
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Rush is a p.o.s.

"Controversial, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh is stepping up his assault against the Democratic Party in the wake of the mass shooting in Tucson, Ariz., claiming the Democrats fully "support" the alleged shooter.

On his radio show Tuesday, Limbaugh said, "What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that... the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/14/arizona-shooting-sarahpalin
 
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