No....you all think he should have been down there driving a busload of people out of the flood though....along with "Brownie".....
Obamas Oil Spill (Obamas Katrina)
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No....you all think he should have been down there driving a busload of people out of the flood though....along with "Brownie".....
I have always said Bush got more than he deserved over Katrina. My perspective is that Katrina was the straw that broke the camel's back.
People had been giving Bush the bene of the doubt for years as a result of 9/11 and because they wanted to like him.
The allegations of cornyism and holding onto people in the face of incompetance finally hit critical mass when he said that "Brownie" was doing a "heck of a job".
Many did not want to critize Bush about troops on the ground in Iraq, but they were emotionally able to transfer the barely hidden frustration to a purely non military and domestic issue, they did so with a vengence.
That is why the public over blamed Bush for the Katrina mess!
People had been giving Bush the bene of the doubt for years as a result of 9/11 and because they wanted to like him.
The allegations of cornyism and holding onto people in the face of incompetance finally hit critical mass when he said that "Brownie" was doing a "heck of a job".
Many did not want to critize Bush about troops on the ground in Iraq, but they were emotionally able to transfer the barely hidden frustration to a purely non military and domestic issue, they did so with a vengence.
That is why the public over blamed Bush for the Katrina mess!
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No; actually, I don't think he should have been down there driving a bus.
I do think he should have selected someone much more qualified for FEMA, and I do think that the federal response was absolutely horrible, and there are plenty of Republicans who agree with me.
Again - some very solid strawmen you are presenting....
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It is quite obvious how Obama could have contained this oil spill. Had he saved all the bullshit he dumped on this country with regards to the health care bill and instead dumped the bullshit in the Gulf, the oil would have retreated on its own in the wake of the horrid stench.
That is all.
Actually i was just reading how there next plan is to plug it up with rubbish. i feel like im watching an episode of south-park with all the suits mumbling running around in circles not knowing what to do.
Its time you both faced some facts....History has a way of correcting the hysterical partisan bullshit prevalent at the time...
Mayor Ray Nagin was also criticized for failing to implement his evacuation plan and for ordering residents to a shelter of last resort without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions.
The most important criticism of Nagin is that he delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths of people who (by that time) could not find any way out of the city.
Nagins incompetance led to hundreds of deaths...fact.
Adding to the criticism was the broadcast of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses which Mayor Nagin refused to be used in evacuation. When asked why the buses were not used to assist evacuations instead of holing up in the Superdome, a lack of insurance liability and bus drivers were given as reasons
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Bush signed a $10.5 billion relief package within four days of the hurricane.
Within 1–2 days of the hurricane, The State of Louisiana National Guard troops arrived with relief packages, and participated in security and rescue operations.
(However, members of the United States Congress and others charged that the relief efforts were slow because most of the affected areas were poor.) What bullshit..bullshit then and bullshit now.
There was also concern that many National Guard units were short staffed in surrounding states because some units were deployed overseas and local recruiting efforts in schools and the community had been hampered making reserves less than ideal.
HOw is that contrary to what I said.
An endless well of strawmen.
People made fun of the comment, but it was the actual placement of Brownie at the head of FEMA that was the real problem.
THat is partially true... but thats because people were so fed up with Bush over other things they finally found a hook to hang the hat on!
Well then...lets return to the Obama apologists presenting excuses for Obamas lack of emergency response to the oil issue and letting BP handle EVERYTHING....
I'd love to discuss this, but it doesn't serve anyone when you just make stuff up out of the blue.
I thought you were finished talking about Nagin and the local Dem. officals response to Katrina ?
Get educated, Counselor...you need it...
The storm battered NO from 8/29 thru 8/31
Wednesday, August 31, 2005
A National Guard multi-purpose utility truck brings supplies to the Louisiana Superdome in downtown New Orleans.
Hurricane Katrina is downgraded to a tropical depression.
At 10:00 PM CDT (0300 UTC), Mayor Ray Nagin announced that the planned sandbagging of the 17th Street Canal levee breach had failed. At the time, 85% of the city was underwater.
Michael Chertoff released a memo to other cabinet members and the Environmental Protection Agency stating that, "the President has established the 'White House Task Force on Hurricane Katrina Response.' He will meet with us tomorrow to launch this effort." The memo also declared Hurricane Katrina to be an Incident of National Significance and designated Michael Brown, Under-Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, as the Principal Federal Official (PFO) for incident management purposes."
In a national news conference presided over by Chertoff, EPA Administrator Stephen L. Johnson announces relaxation of Federal fuel and emissions standards in response to Katrina. [26]
The USS Bataan was positioned off the coast of Gulfport, Mississippi to support the relief efforts. The United States Navy moved additional ships and helicopters into the region at the request of FEMA. The number of National Guardsmen on duty in the Gulf Coast rose to approximately 8,300 [actually 10,428 Army National Guard and 960 Air National Guard were deployed - 11,388 total]. They remained under their respective governor's control, which enables them to provide law-enforcement support in the affected regions, which is prohibited [to the military] by the Posse Comitatus Act.[29]
President Bush observes damage from Hurricane Katrina over New Orleans, August 31.
Mayor Nagin ordered almost the entire New Orleans' police force to abandon search and rescue missions and turn their attention toward controlling the widespread looting and a curfew is placed in effect.
State workers began work at closing the 17th Street Canal breach, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers adds additional resources to the task.
At 11:00 PM EDT (0300 UTC), the National Hurricane Center announced that the center of the remnant low of what was Hurricane Katrina has been completely absorbed by a frontal boundary in southeastern Canada, with no discernible circulation. The remnants of the hurricane caused roads in northern Quebec to be rutted and eroded by heavy rainfall, isolating the north shore communities for several days.
BNSF Railway announced that it expected to restore limited freight service to southern Louisiana by September 1. Other than debris on the mainline, the biggest problem facing crews working to reopen the line is the damage to the Bayou Boeuf bridge in Morgan City, Louisiana. The bridge and bridge piers were struck by a barge propelled by the storm's winds and wave action. BNSF sent crews to repair damaged railway signal systems starting on August 30. BNSF transferred freight through other hubs such as St. Louis, Chicago, and Memphis until service was restored.[32]
Norfolk Southern (NS) announced that the majority their mainlines that were damaged by Hurricane Katrina were again operational. They removed almost 3,700 fallen trees and inspected over 1,400 miles (2,253 km) of track before setting trains in motion. Tracks directly into New Orleans, however, remained out of service due to washouts, continued flooding, as well as the city's evacuation orders. Freight that would have normally transferred in New Orleans was routed to other terminals across the NS system. The company's experience with previous hurricanes helped it to prepare action plans before Katrina made landfall. They moved repair equipment, supplies and employees into nearby areas and quickly deployed them to inspect and repair the system after the storm passed.
Thursday, September 1, 2005
U.S. Senate passes a relief package.
President Bush appeared on Good Morning America, and said that he understood the frustration of Katrina victims, many of whom are still waiting for food, water, and other aid. "I fully understand people wanting things to have happened yesterday," Bush said. "I understand the anxiety of people on the ground. … So there is frustration. But I want people to know there's a lot of help coming." He said that the government's first priority is to save lives, and described the devastation that he saw while flying over the hardest-hit areas as, "very emotional," but was also very optimistic about the prospects of New Orleans' recovery.
A 50-member Canadian search-and-rescue team from Vancouver, British Columbia reached a flooded New Orleans suburb to help save trapped residents.
National Guardsmen accompanied by buses (475 in all) and supply trucks begin to arrive at the Superdome.
A day after the National Guard (from Camp Beauregard) began delivering food, water and ice in New Orleans, the National President of the American Red Cross, Marsha Evans, requested to set up a shelter in New Orleans to pass out food and water. However, due to the ongoing military rescue operations in the city at the time, the Red Cross was asked to wait for 24 hours. By Saturday, the point was moot because the large-scale evacuation of the city was already underway.
Meanwhile, conditions at the Superdome, as well as the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, continued to deteriorate. Food and potable water were unavailable, with mostly false reports and rumors of rescuers coming under fire from people seeking to hijack supplies or transportation, and few buses were arriving to evacuate the survivors. About 5,000 refugees made it by bus to Reliant Astrodome, yet there were only about 2,000 cots available.[36][dead link] Secretary Chertoff is criticized by NPR's Robert Siegel during an interview on All Things Considered, as he had no knowledge of the approximately 2,000 survivors at the Convention Center with no food or water. He said, "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the Convention Center who don't have food and water."[37] FEMA Director Brown said that FEMA only became aware of crisis at the Convention Center on this date, yet later claims to have known about it 24 hours earlier.[38]
Secretary Chertoff announced that 4,200 National Guard troops trained as military police would be deployed to New Orleans over the next three days. Governor Blanco requested the mobilization of an additional 40,000 National Guard troops. 14,284 Army National Guard and 972 Air National Guard were currently deployed (15,256 total).
Friday, September 2, 2005
* Bush signs the $10.5 billion relief package after Congress passed it.
* Bush tours the hurricane-battered Gulf Coast, saying that he is ordering additional active duty forces to the region. He also authorizes a drawdown of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
18,678 Army National Guard and 2,464 Air National Guard were deployed (21,142 total).
Saturday, September 3, 2005
25,548 Army National Guard and 3,998 Air National Guard were deployed (28,546 total).
Sunday, September 4, 2005
The evacuation of the Superdome has been completed. 29,588 Army National Guard and 4,596 Air National Guard were deployed (34,184 total).
Monday, September 5, 2005
The 17th Street Canal levee breach was closed with truckloads of rock and sandbags. The canal reopened so that it could be used to pump water out of city. 33,608 Army National Guard and 6,613 Air National Guard were deployed (40,221 total).
Tuesday, September 6, 2005
Rescue workers said that there were still many, "holdouts," who were not heeding the mandatory evacuation order first issued by Nagin on August 28. They were concerned about their property being looted, were unaware of the full extent of the disaster, worried about their pets, or concerned that conditions would be worse in the shelters. Due to unsanitary conditions in the city, as well as contaminations of E. coli bacteria in the standing water in the city, Nagin ordered the forced evacuation of everyone that was not involved in cleaning up after Hurricane Katrina.[45]
38,093 Army National Guard and 5,770 Air National Guard were deployed (43,863 total).
Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) called for Michael D. Brown's resignation. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) voiced criticism of the disaster's handling, and of the Bush administration's management, delegation of control, leadership, and human consideration.[46][dead link]
[edit] Wednesday, September 7, 2005
39,736 Army National Guard and 5,952 Air National Guard were deployed (45,688 total).
Thursday, September 8, 2005
President Bush issued an executive order suspending the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, allowing federal contractors rebuilding after Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage. This action upset labor leaders and democrats in Congress, who feared that it would make it more difficult for union contractors to win bids.[47]
40,667 Army National Guard and 5,735 Air National Guard were deployed (46,402 total).
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Hurricane Katrina Response And Recovery Update
Coverning day 1,2, and 3 after storm...
Release Date: September 4, 2005
Release Number: HQ-05-198B
WASHINGTON D.C. –- One hundred percent of evacuees housed in the New Orleans Superdome and Convention Center have been evacuated and more than 30,000 National Guard troops are on the ground in Louisiana and Mississippi to provide help with search, rescue, and security in the disaster-stricken area, Michael D. Brown, Department of Homeland Security’s Principal Federal Official for Hurricane Katrina response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced earlier today.
"Progress is being made, but we continue to search for victims and are working day and night to ensure that people have the food, water, medical attention, and shelter they need," said Brown. "Every resource available is being deployed by FEMA and the entire Federal government to rescue, aid in the suffering, and protect and preserve lives. We will not rest until these needs are met."
Brown, along with state and federal partners, and voluntary agencies, is holding press briefings twice a day to provide updates on response efforts. To date:
* All evacuees at the New Orleans Superdome and Convention Center, more than 22,000 people, have been bused or airlifted from disaster-stricken areas—additional evacuees from these two locations are anticipated. Estimated relocations:
Alabama 6,000
District of Columbia 1,000
Florida 1,400
Georgia 900
Louisiana 60,000
Mississippi 16,000
Tennessee 100
Texas 137,000
Total: 222,400
* Approximately 12,500 evacuees are being hosted at the Houston Astrodome.
* As of today, 563 shelters opened in 10 states with a total population of 151,409 people sheltered.
* A 12-car Amtrak train making two round trips daily between New Orleans and Lafayette, LA, will evacuate 650 passengers on each train to various destinations.
* More than 35,000 people have been evacuated from Louisiana.
* Over 100 million ready meals (MREs) have been shipped by the Department of Defense to shelters and more than 170,000 meals are being served each day in affected areas.
* In Louisiana, there are currently 29 Disaster Medical Teams (DMAT); 5 Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Teams (DMORT); 2 Veterinary Assistant Teams (VMAT); and 1 Mental Health Team.
* In Mississippi, there are currently 10 DMATs; 5 DMORTS; and 1 Mental Health Team.
* More than 30,000 National Guard are on the ground to provide response, rescue, recovery and law enforcement, and are working around the clock to bring critical aid and support to hurricane victims. An additional 12,730 Active Duty military personnel have also been deployed.
* During the past week, the U.S. Coast Guard saved 15,665 people, which is more than three times the number of lives saved in all of 2004.
* 5,877 FEMA personnel have been deployed to the field, including:
o 1,811 National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) medical professionals
o 1,777 Urban Search and Rescue (US&R) staff
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18602
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