Obama's MidEast Legacy

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The cease-fire process invites violations, because many of the more than 100 rebel groups that have accepted the truce are camped alongside excluded fighters from the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra. State Department officials describe this co-location of groups as "marbling," and expect it will take weeks for fighters to vote with their feet which side of the line they're on. This sorting will work only if there's some sign of progress toward an eventual political transition away from Assad.

Iran is the second puzzle piece that looks different than most would have predicted a few years ago. Obama's bet that Iran could be pressured into a meaningful nuclear deal by a global sanctions coalition has proved correct. What's more, his hope that the Iran opening would strengthen pragmatic forces there also appears to have borne fruit after last Friday's elections.

State Department officials say it's impossible now to calculate precisely what the political balance will be in the new parliament or the "Assembly of Experts" group that will choose Iran's next leader. But it's clear that the hard-liners have been weakened, and that President Hassan Rouhani's position is stronger. That was Obama's biggest strategic gamble; it appears to be paying off.

Saudi Arabia is also changing shape. Who would have predicted a few years ago that the decisive figure in this once-moribund, hyper-conservative monarchy would be a headstrong 30-year-old whose goal appears to be a Saudi version of the modernizing, relatively tolerant United Arab Emirates? But that's what's happening under Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The young Saudi has sometimes been more bold than wise, as in his war in Yemen, his decision to break diplomatic relations with Iran and his new effort to destabilize a Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon. But his role as a change agent is unmistakable. He "wants to transition Saudi Arabia very quickly," said Adel Al Toraifi, the Saudi information minister, who's just 36 himself, in a visit to Washington last week.

The piece of the Middle East puzzle that seems most jagged right now is Turkey, only a decade ago the brightest spot in the region. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's power plays have shattered a once-promising reconciliation with the Kurds and undermined Turkish democracy. Turkey has managed simultaneously to worsen its relations with Russia, Israel, Iran and the U.S. -- quite a feat. Veteran Turkey-watchers fear growing internal turmoil there.

As America has stepped back in the Middle East during Obama's presidency, Russia, Iran, the Islamic State and Saudi Arabia have stepped forward. This has brought many new dangers. But even though America's military dominance has faded, its diplomatic role remains decisive -- as the Syria and Iran talks show.

Fitting the altered pieces of the puzzle together brings many risks, but it does provide new openings. And it's clear that even in its diminished role, the U.S. remains the indispensable stabilizing power, like it or not.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...middle_easts_jagged_puzzle_pieces_129840.html
 
you assholes lied to take the shit cork out the bottle



you broke it by lying to the American people


then you crashed the world economy
 
Now look at this more carefully with some reality based perspective:

The Syrian cease-fire is one of convenience by Russia. It's still doing strategic bombing in the west to support Assad.
Recall it and Assad can go after anyone under the auspice of fighting terrorism, and it does, and it's not all that concerned with ISIS.
It's Assad's air force, and has tanks on the ground.

as to Iran:
What does the west get out of the nuke deal?
Nothing but a more bellicose and expansive Iran. Iran is now the dominate player in Lebanon -
so much so Saudi Arabia is pulling back aid to it's Sunni factions.

Iran is the adventurist in the middle east - supplying proxies in Yemen, Damascus, Beirut, and Baghdad and even now in Anbar.
Giving them $100+ billion dollars while relieving sanctions allows then to uprade weapons ( New SA -300 from Russia) .
Iran is till the largest state sponser of terrorism -despite the Obama removal from the terrorist list ( a complete farce)

SA is becoming more assertive? Well yes and no. Having the rug pulled out from under it by Obama's tilt to Iran has certainly
made them become more self-relaint; but ALSO has tipped them to dealing with Russia.
SA is buying weapons, building nuke plants and increasing trade with Russia

Then of course there is Libya; the crown jewel clsterf*ck of the Obama adm -creating a failed terrorist state
instead of an ally with the west under Qaddafi to go after AQ in Africa,,and weapons flow to Syria, etc.

as t0 US diplomacy? Where is that on the ascent? One of the very big failures of Obama was sanctioning el-Sisi for the Morsi coupe'
It was completely un-necessary ( Congress did not call for it) and once again the repercussions are the new ties with Russia
Russia is increasing trade/nuke plants/cement/agriculture - but it's also becoming a weapons supplier for Egypt.
It is doing so because Egypt does not see the US a a reliable partner.

And that is the real Obama legacy: One of a shrinking partnership and role with the ME.
It's why Russia is on th ascent ( geopolitical ties also with Iran and Syria) and the US is reduced to reacting from the sideline.

Obama's ME legacy is one of turning away from the region, and ignoring US influence,
and reversing 40 years of US policy on Russia in the ME.. Russia and Iran are the big winners.
 
Evince has you down to a science hateata.
The further and faster we get from the ME the better war drummer.
Sell your poison elsewhere.
 
Wait for the follow up.
This has nothing to do with Obama.

Dude you follow anatta everywhere hating on the him. Desh's response is not surprising because she has a third grade education and isn't capable of having an adult conversation. But you claim to be smarter than 99.7% of the world. You should be able to coherently make a counter argument with substance.
 
Evince has you down to a science hateata.
The further and faster we get from the ME the better war drummer.
Sell your poison elsewhere.

even the Ignatius OP doesn't claim that. The OP is claiming the Obama withdrawal is somehow making the player more "brilliant"-
more active -whatever.

It has nothing to do with "war drumming" -it's about maintaining alliances/influences.
For sure Obama has sold plenty of weapons - but he's choke pointed them to Egypt, and his unreliability has
made even SA want more and more. The Russian navy could very well find other blue water ports besides Tartus after all this;
who knows where this all leads to?

The Gulf States wanted a nuclear umbrella by the US when this Iran deal became manifest.
That's how terrified they are of Iran - and you can be sure SA is making sure Paki has a few "on the shelf" left.

But it's not about nukes, it's about maintaining an ability to keep stability -and it's most definitely not about wars.
The US has always been seen as a competent presense that guaratees both stability, and an ability to work with the different factions.

It's why Russia has been largely confined to the sidelines - they are not seen as 'impartial' and you can see they are already expanding thier
influence, the region be damned..

We are ceding the region to Russia, and Iran, while being seen as unwilling to back our own alliances -
how can this be helpful in any way?
 
Dude you follow anatta everywhere hating on the him. Desh's response is not surprising because she has a third grade education and isn't capable of having an adult conversation. But you claim to be smarter than 99.7% of the world. You should be able to coherently make a counter argument with substance.

Note that annata's activity on this board surged after Super Tuesday.
He is a fanatical Hillary hater.
Is that cogent enough for you big boy?
If he had a shred of self honesty it would be different.
He claims outward buddhism yet bangs the drums of war nonstop.
He claims to be a moderate yet promoted every single GOP candidate starting with JEB.
Is that cohesive enough 'Wacko or should I continue?
At least you are honest about what you stand for.
annata stands for death of American children, waste of Anerican treasure, War for profit and hatred of a woman he is far too simple to understand.
The plain fact is he didn't even have a position until BAC told him what to think.
I agree with BAC that we shouldn't have entered Libya.
I do not lay the blame of Libya at the feet of HRC though.
She was an employee not CIC , nevermind the real reason,
the lack of a private centrall bank in Libya.
Hill had no controll over the Rithschilds. No one does.
To blame her for Libya is convenient at best.
 
Note that annata's activity on this board surged after Super Tuesday.
He is a fanatical Hillary hater.
Is that cogent enough for you big boy?
If he had a shred of self honesty it would be different.
He claims outward buddhism yet bangs the drums of war nonstop.
He claims to be a moderate yet promoted every single GOP candidate starting with JEB.
Is that cohesive enough 'Wacko or should I continue?
At least you are honest about what you stand for.
annata stands for death of American children, waste of Anerican treasure, War for profit and hatred of a woman he is far too simple to understand.
The plain fact is he didn't even have a position until BAC told him what to think.
I agree with BAC that we shouldn't have entered Libya.
I do not lay the blame of Libya at the feet of HRC though.
She was an employee not CIC , nevermind the real reason,
the lack of a private centrall bank in Libya.
Hill had no controll over the Rithschilds. No one does.
To blame her for Libya is convenient at best.

you are hopelessly ignorant. BAC did in fact "blame Hillary" also Rice and Powers. I was on both boards with BAC -not you.
I've known BAC back from the days at Rumbleville -and I know his positions well.
BAC lost interest in Libya after Qaddafi -I've followed it's diminution into a failed terrorist state.
But we both called that early - BAC and myself were partners on this during the 2011 Libyan war.

As to Hillary - you need to do the research. She was chief architect and advocate ( my claims) of the Libyan war.
Read the damn NYTimes piece that came out this weekend -->Hillary Clinton and a Dictator's Fall (NYT)

It had nothing to do with "Rothschild banks" -it had everything to do with Qaddafi wanting to issue a Pan-African currency
supplanting the French frank.

No I haven't supported "every GOP candidate" and even if I did -so what?
Did you conveniently forget my still continued support of sanders?

I've looked at all of them, and the only candidate I've ruled out is Hillary wjho is an incompetent warmonger.
Why don't you dismiss her? She's an an iinate interventionist -I thought you were Mr. Anti-war?

You are severely lacking in detail, critical thought, and abilities to integrate new ideas into a coherent concepts..
I've mentioned to you more then once "connect the dots" and you can't even do that.

Mostly you are not worth anything but complete ignoring, except when you bother to troll me an DJC, and here.
feel free to do so, but I'm going to smack down your lies, and show you up for the stupid troll you are when you do so.

PS.
I came back after the New Year - not Super Tuesday - Super Tuesday was this week - can you even read a calendar ????
 
Dude you follow anatta everywhere hating on the him. Desh's response is not surprising because she has a third grade education and isn't capable of having an adult conversation. But you claim to be smarter than 99.7% of the world. You should be able to coherently make a counter argument with substance.

fuck you

you drooled over war you evil asshole
 
You need to go fight in the me. Warhawk

Oh god. another one...what is your dysfunction? blind Democrat partisan or simply gross ignorance?

When anybody can put together any kind of an argument for Obama's Shrinking Presence in the region -please inform.

Note that power abhors a vacuum, and Russia fills that vacuum..
 
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