Obamas Education proposal.. dont let this scam slip under our noses

Chapdog

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I dont know about all of you but part of my plan for my sons college education was to utilize the private student loan lenders in addition to the federal program considering the limits for most middle class people who don't qualify for grants barley cover room and board. His new scam overhaul would essentially eliminate the private school lending industry.

Obama’s Education Budget Seeks To Restructure Pell Grant

by Charles Dervarics
Feb 27, 2009, 08:57 Email article
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With a goal to expand financial aid and college access, the Obama administration unveiled a 2010 education budget plan Thursday that virtually guarantees future Pell Grant increases while creating a major new initiative on college completion.



To support the president’s goal to significantly increase college completion by 2020, the budget includes a new $2.5-billion Access and Completion Incentive Fund for states with innovative strategies to improve the college graduation rates for low-income students. In his address to Congress this week, Obama pledged that the United States would “again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world.”



In presenting the new budget on Thursday, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said aid and access are among the administration’s key domestic policy themes. “There are too many students who are unprepared for college and too many who cannot afford it,” he said.



Also included in the budget is a restructuring of the Pell Grant program to provide guaranteed increases each year. Within the federal budget, the program would move from a discretionary program — subject to annual appropriations from Congress — to a mandatory program similar to Social Security or Medicare.



“This means [the funding] is guaranteed for everyone who qualifies,” Duncan said in outlining the initiative to reporters.



If Congress approves the change, the Pell Grant also would receive annual increases geared to the Consumer Price Index, plus an additional 1 percent. Duncan said the department envisions a top grant of $5,550 in 2010.



With mandatory funding, the program would no longer face shortfalls that occur when more students than expected seek grants. These shortfalls traditionally increase during tough economic times, when more students attend or return to college.



The program “has been plagued by funding shortfalls that complicate the federal appropriations process and threaten the funding of other federal education programs,” the department’s budget plan states.



Elsewhere, officials said they plan a substantial funding increase for Perkins Loans, another campus-based student aid program. As a result, the number of colleges and universities participating in the program would increase from 1,800 to 4,400.



Outside higher education, the plan includes a new early childhood initiative for children up to 5 years old and new efforts to strengthen the teacher work force. However, many details are still not available. While presidents traditionally present their budgets in February for the next fiscal year, this blueprint provides specific information for only a few programs.



Duncan said more details will come in April, when the Department of Education will provide a line-by-line budget for hundreds of federal initiatives.



To pay for new initiatives, the department also plans to find savings in several areas, including student loans. Duncan said the new budget would largely end the bank-led student loan program, the Federal Family Educational Loan (FFEL) program, and replace it with more direct lending from the federal government.



FFEL already “is on life support,” Duncan said. Moving to federal Direct Loans would save about $4 billion in federal subsidies while providing a more stable funding source, the department said.



The April budget also may propose termination of some programs deemed ineffective, department leaders said.



While federal officials prepared a fiscal 2010 education blueprint, the Obama administration and Congress are still working on a final bill for 2009 education funding. The House of Representatives this week approved $410 billion in continued appropriations through Sept. 30. That bill includes a small Pell Grant increase plus $238 million for historically Black institutions and $94 million for Hispanic-serving institutions.



These programs have operated with only short-term funds since the 2009 fiscal year began last October. This temporary spending is set to end in early March.
 
So I send my kid to Boston college for 40k a year and I wouldn't qualify for any federal assistance besides the standard Stafford type loan that doesn't even cover 1/4th of the annual expense and now i cant even get a private education loan? whats next you going to tell me i cant use my IRA money for it as well?
 
So I send my kid to Boston college for 40k a year and I wouldn't qualify for any federal assistance besides the standard Stafford type loan that doesn't even cover 1/4th of the annual expense and now i cant even get a private education loan? whats next you going to tell me i cant use my IRA money for it as well?

Please, do cite the source material from whence you gleaned these conclusions.
 
Thank God. Private student loans are a huge racket. You can quickly get in over your head and you wind up not ever being able to get out from under the debt. If you declare bankruptcy, they increase your principle and make you pay even more since they're exempt from bankruptcy protection.

If the government can lend directly with lower rates, then the private college lending institutions will collapse because of COMPETITION from the government which can do this much better and more safely than the private institutions. They're not outlawing private lending.

I have a ton of private student loans. Last time I called to try to get my balance, they couldn't even find a record of my loans because Bank of America had sold them off to another bank and they couldn't tell me who the fuck to call to get the information I needed to get a statement faxed to me so my cosigner could complete his condo loan application.

This should have been done 9 years ago.
 
So I send my kid to Boston college for 40k a year and I wouldn't qualify for any federal assistance besides the standard Stafford type loan that doesn't even cover 1/4th of the annual expense and now i cant even get a private education loan? whats next you going to tell me i cant use my IRA money for it as well?

It says he's expanding the Pell Grant program, which means they'll be revisiting the qualification standards.
 
Chapdog, do you even have a kid? Or is your opposition to everything the president says and does automatic and reflexive?
 
Chapdog, do you even have a kid? Or is your opposition to everything the president says and does automatic and reflexive?

His plan was to get a private loan, and the sky is falling because now he'll have to get one with a lower interest rate from the government because the private loan industry is going to go belly up when the government makes their loans better, cheaper, and more available.
 
It says he's expanding the Pell Grant program, which means they'll be revisiting the qualification standards.

I will never qualify, nor will any other middle class on the east or west coasts where cost of living is double the middle of the country. Additionally even expansion if for some reason middle class was covered would be about 5k per year.. hardly enough to cover costs.

My opinion: if you plan to destroy a source to pay for college there should be a new replacement source where you can get the equal amount of money.

I do agree that private student loan's can be dangerous.. thus the need for regulation. I don't think you should be able to just get a loan without proof the money is going towards the education or more then the annual cost etc. I worked for a private student loan company (FMD) for awhile so I definitively know it needs work... but to reiterate my point you cant just take away a resource like this without providing a new option that's at least somewhat equal. (dont take away a 30k private loan and tell me ohh here is a 5k pell grant. dont know how your gonna pay the other 25k)
 
His plan was to get a private loan, and the sky is falling because now he'll have to get one with a lower interest rate from the government because the private loan industry is going to go belly up when the government makes their loans better, cheaper, and more available.

um nooo. because my limit will be like 5k.. where does the rest of the money come from? this is what im talking about.. these half assed proposals.. How about adding in some better formulated 529plans.. higher limits, more portability, ect..
 
I will never qualify, nor will any other middle class on the east or west coasts where cost of living is double the middle of the country. Additionally even expansion if for some reason middle class was covered would be about 5k per year.. hardly enough to cover costs.

My opinion: if you plan to destroy a source to pay for college there should be a new replacement source where you can get the equal amount of money.

I do agree that private student loan's can be dangerous.. thus the need for regulation. I don't think you should be able to just get a loan without proof the money is going towards the education or more then the annual cost etc. I worked for a private student loan company (FMD) for awhile so I definitively know it needs work... but to reiterate my point you cant just take away a resource like this without providing a new option that's at least somewhat equal. (dont take away a 30k private loan and tell me ohh here is a 5k pell grant. dont know how your gonna pay the other 25k)

Are you confused about this thing? It sounds like you believe he's going to outlaw private student lending.

The only way private student lending is going to go away is if there's another source that takes its place and does it by offering lower rates and more access.
 
um nooo. because my limit will be like 5k.. where does the rest of the money come from? this is what im talking about.. these half assed proposals.. How about adding in some better formulated 529plans.. higher limits, more portability, ect..

Chap, they're not outlawing private student loans. Your source doesn't say they are either.

Your story said it might do away with the bank-led private student loan industry because it'll be replacing it with a federal alternative - and not by outlawing the private loans either. The implication is that the private loans will just go the way of the dodo because they'll be replaced by cheaper loans from the feds.
 
possibly, again there is not much detail to go on but from my understanding there are limits as to how much you can take out from the govt. ill do some research when i have free time. IF they end fed subsidies for the private loan business but then dont offer loans of equal $$ amount regardless of you income level.. then its a MASSIVE HIT.
 
possibly, again there is not much detail to go on but from my understanding there are limits as to how much you can take out from the govt. ill do some research when i have free time. IF they end fed subsidies for the private loan business but then dont offer loans of equal $$ amount regardless of you income level.. then its a MASSIVE HIT.

The government does limit what you can take out. That doesn't mean that can't change. Even if it doesn't change, so what? That just means there will still be people who need to go buy private loans like right now, which should keep you happy because you wont have to change your "plan." How terribly inconvenient that would have been!

They're not outlawing private student lending. They're just proposing expanding federal Pehl Grants and making loans directly accessible to students in greater quantity, which the guy in your article predicts will drive private lending out of the business. Good.
 
The government does limit what you can take out. That doesn't mean that can't change. Even if it doesn't change, so what? That just means there will still be people who need to go buy private loans like right now, which should keep you happy because you wont have to change your "plan." How terribly inconvenient that would have been!

They're not outlawing private student lending. They're just proposing expanding federal Pehl Grants and making loans directly accessible to students in greater quantity, which the guy in your article predicts will drive private lending out of the business. Good.

Do you know anything about the massive debt the government has on student loans and you are talking about expanding? Sheesh!! The have mismanaged it completely, just like they do everything else.
 
The government does limit what you can take out. That doesn't mean that can't change. Even if it doesn't change, so what? That just means there will still be people who need to go buy private loans like right now, which should keep you happy because you wont have to change your "plan." How terribly inconvenient that would have been!

They're not outlawing private student lending. They're just proposing expanding federal Pehl Grants and making loans directly accessible to students in greater quantity, which the guy in your article predicts will drive private lending out of the business. Good.

actually they are planning to end subsidies which means you get huge and unaffordable interest rates as well as FAR more difficult approval since its more risk to the bank.
 
Do you know anything about the massive debt the government has on student loans and you are talking about expanding? Sheesh!! The have mismanaged it completely, just like they do everything else.

Seriously, just go away.

You know who's famous for saying "deficits don't matter"? A guy you voted for twice. Can you guess?
 
actually they are planning to end subsidies which means you get huge and unaffordable interest rates as well as FAR more difficult approval since its more risk to the bank.

Private bank subsidies? They're certainly not going to end federal student loan subsidies.
 
Private bank subsidies? They're certainly not going to end federal student loan subsidies.

Yes, private student loan subsidies.. Sallie may for example manages fed loans (the 5k a year u get via Stafford) but also has a private arm that offers subsidized rates.
 
Yes, private student loan subsidies.. Sallie may for example manages fed loans (the 5k a year u get via Stafford) but also has a private arm that offers subsidized rates.

But if the government is offering an alternative, I find it hard to feel bad about that.
 
actually they are planning to end subsidies which means you get huge and unaffordable interest rates as well as FAR more difficult approval since its more risk to the bank.

Really? Where does it say that?
 
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