OBAMAGATE: The Cover-up Begins

[MAGA]

I've heard that the difference between nationalism and patriotism is that patriots love their country, while nationalists think their country is the best. From there, it can be a slippery slope to saying that all other countries are worse and from there, to wars and things of that nature.

Good Americans have always known that America is the best.

Our Founding Fathers were inspired by God when they wrote the Declaration of Independence.

I invite you to go to the 2 minute 10 second and listen to my video up to the 7 min 44 sec mark :

View: https://youtu.be/gMjDMjlKzU0?si=RcoNXyUDbtosNw9T&t=130

 

[Scott]

I decided to look up RINOs to see what the internet had to say about them. After having done so, I remembered that I've done this before. Here we go:
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In US politics, "Republican in name only" is a pejorative used to describe politicians of the Republican Party deemed insufficiently loyal to the party, or misaligned with the party's ideology. Similar terms have been used since the early 1900s. The acronym RINO became popular in the 1990s, and both the acronym and the full spelling have become commonly used by sitting president Donald Trump and his supporters to refer to his critics within the Republican Party.
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Source:

Republican in name only - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So apparently a RINO is used by Trump and his supporters to refer to Republicans who criticize Trump. No mention of left or right.

You should be more judicious in filtering and selecting information sources. The term "RINO" predates Trump. It really does mean "Republican in name only."

I literally quoted that definition. I simply pointed out that Trump and his crowd are now using it to refer to Republicans that criticize Trump.

RINOs are on the left.

That's an unsubstantiated assertion.

 

[Scott]

I've heard that the difference between nationalism and patriotism is that patriots love their country, while nationalists think their country is the best. From there, it can be a slippery slope to saying that all other countries are worse and from there, to wars and things of that nature.

What you just wrote is silly.

No, it's something that's been brought up on various websites, including dictionary.com. From their page on the 2 terms:
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In most contexts today, nationalism is “the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.” In short, nationalism is a kind of excessive, aggressive patriotism.

Modern nationalism is rooted, in part, in French and American revolutions that fought for the sovereignty of their people over monarchies. This historic nationalism is generally viewed favorably, a cornerstone of Western liberalism and democracy.

However, fascist regimes have merged the fervor of nationalism with the notions of superiority, especially when it comes to ethnicity and religion. In such contexts, “patriots” can become those who happened to agree with you or look like you, and “traitors” those who do not.

This form of nationalism is what happens when patriotism gets out of hand and morphs into something more exclusionary, isolationist, and … well, chauvinist. For example, The lecturer’s speech on immigration and foreign policy quickly devolved into nationalism, blaming undocumented migrants for the climbing unemployment rate, making much of the audience feel uneasy.

Such nationalism can result in jingoism, which is a form of extreme nationalism promoting vigilant preparedness for war and an aggressive foreign policy. It can also result in isolationism, or “the policy or doctrine of isolating one’s country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreement.”

Recorded in the early 1800s, nationalism, as you probably guessed, is based on nation, ultimately from a Latin word meaning “birth, tribe.”
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Full article:

"Patriotism" vs. "Nationalism": What's The Difference?

Patriotism and nationalism both involve pride in one's country, but one has a much more positive connotation than the other. Do you know which is which?

www.dictionary.com

 

[Scott]

Notice that Trump isn't taking the US into any wars.

What do you call his little jaunt in Iran?

 

[Hawkeye10]

What do you call his little jaunt in Iran?

a month bombing Yemen and then running away....

 

[Scott]

Alright, clearly we're in trouble if we can't agree on the very definition of what the political left and right mean...

The right is marked be power in the individual, with individual liberty, whereas the left is marked by government power with centralized government control.

Not necessarily. Have you seen the Nolan chart? I think it offers a better way of determining where one stands. Here's a graphic I got from Wikipedia's page on the subject:




As can be seen, those on the left (liberal) -or- the right (conservative) can want more freedom or less, based on their preference for libertarianism or authoratarianism.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Our taking out Assad was a two decade project.....but success happened on Trumps watch.

 

[Scott]

a month bombing Yemen and then running away....

I certainly believe it was foolish to bomb Yemen, but I also think Trump was at least smart enough to realize it wasn't getting the desired results after a month.

 

[Scott]

Our taking out Assad was a two decade project.....but success happened on Trumps watch.

Do you think that was a good idea? Put another way, do you think the people governing Syria now are better than Assad?

 

[Hawkeye10]

I certainly believe it was foolish to bomb Yemen, but I also think Trump was at least smart enough to realize it wasn't getting the desired results after a month.

After burning missiles that are in great shortage....after demonstrating American weakness.....there is no way to spin this into a positive.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Do you think that was a good idea? Put another way, do you think the people governing Syria now are better than Assad?

Are you kidding?

HELL NO.

 

[Scott]

After burning missiles that are in great shortage....after demonstrating American weakness.....there is no way to spin this into a positive.

True, but I can at least commend him for stopping. I wish he'd also stopped arming Ukraine or Israel a month into his second term, but alas, that didn't happen.

 

[Hawkeye10]

True, but I can at least commend him for stopping. I wish he'd also stopped arming Ukraine or Israel a month into his second term, but alas, that didn't happen.

It was idiotic to start.

 

[IBDaMann]

I literally quoted that definition

Literally is the only way to quote something.

. I simply pointed out that Trump and his crowd are now using it to refer to Republicans that criticize Trump.

I simply pointed out that you are mistaken.

That's an unsubstantiated assertion.

You are welcome to substantiate it to your satisfaction. Its obviousness will make your work easy.

 

[IBDaMann]

No, it's something that's been brought up on various websites, including dictionary.com. From their page on the 2 terms:

What I wrote stands. The left is attempting to hijack the word "nationalism" as a perjorative/slur for patriotism. They have to. They are otherwise revealing themselves as being petty HATERS of the US and of anyone who is trying to make America great again. Those same people also hurl "make America great again" as a slur, and create other slurs like "MAGAt" and "MAGAtard",

In most contexts today, nationalism is “the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.”

This is true for all countries. It's called economics.

In short, nationalism is a kind of excessive, aggressive patriotism.

Explain how I am excessive and aggressive in my patriotism.

Modern nationalism is rooted, in part, in French and American revolutions that fought for the sovereignty of their people over monarchies.

Nope. Modern nationalism is identical to classic nationalism which is identical to modern patriotism which is identical to classic patriotism. There's no difference ... unless it's being hurled as a slur by a leftist.

However, fascist regimes have merged the fervor of nationalism with the notions of superiority,

This is how leftists package the slur.

To be fascist, it must be socialist, and that is necessarily on the left.

This form of nationalism is what happens when patriotism gets out of hand

You should have called boooooolsch't

 

[IBDaMann]

Have you seen the Nolan chart?.

It's bogus. It depicts fascism as supporting individual freedoms. There are other major problems as well. It is dismissed and discarded.

 

[IBDaMann]

Our taking out Assad was a two decade project.....but success happened on Trumps watch.

... or did it occur while Biden's handlers were in power?

 

[MAGA]

Great questions:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949496922227527734

View: https://x.com/WesleyHuntTX/status/1949496922227527734

 

[MAGA]

Notice that Trump isn't taking the US into any wars.

What do you call his little jaunt in Iran?

I hope you don't call it a war. If you do then you need to go take a remedial course in English.

World War 2 was a war.
Iran was a single surgical strike on a single target..

 

[IBDaMann]

As i've said quite a few times now, I'm no Trumper,

What does "Trumper" mean? Am I a "Trumper"? Are you hurling that term as a slur?

and I welcome further investigation into the Epstein Files.

Is that because you suddenly enjoy child porn?

That doesn't mean that there hasn't been compelling evidence for -years- that Russiagate was a farce.

Similarly, the "Epstein files" and the "Steele Dossier" are also long-standing hoaxes.

Did you press the Obama Administration to "release" the "Epstein files " or is the Trump Presidency the right time for the hoax to be milked for all it's worth?