Obamacare is bankrupting health insurers by including illegal aliens

Who cares if they're illegal aliens? Obamacare is a law. It has to do with insurance exchanges. If they buy insurance on or off the exchange, who cares about immigration status?
 
Althea said:
Who cares if they're illegal aliens? Obamacare is a law. It has to do with insurance exchanges. If they buy insurance on or off the exchange, who cares about immigration status?
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What if 300.000,000 ,million illegal aliens invaded the USA and all ask for healthcare and asylum? The fact is that the USA can not care for it's own people without the 19 trillion dollar national debt, which means Obamacare is not paid for, nothing is, it's all borrowed until we pay our debts. So tell us how can we afford to help more non workers?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
 
The United States currently has an estimated 11 million immigrants who entered this country illegally. According to the National Research Council, the migration of these individuals into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually.

Now we are starting to get a feel for the costs being absorbed by one sector — the U.S. healthcare system — to treat this population. And the cost is staggering.

The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the current cost of treating uninsured immigrants who entered this country illegally at all levels of government to be $4.3 billion a year, primarily at emergency rooms and free clinics. This doesn't take into account the billions being absorbed by in-patient care delivered by hospitals.

Who is picking up these costs? Every American taxpayer — not to mention medical facilities and insurance companies who turn around and raise their rates for everyone else.
 
Ziggy said:
What if 300.000,000 ,million illegal aliens invaded the USA and all ask for healthcare and asylum? The fact is that the USA can not care for it's own people without the 19 trillion dollar national debt, which means Obamacare is not paid for, nothing is, it's all borrowed until we pay our debts. So tell us how can we afford to help more non workers?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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Hypotheticals?

My favorite game. What if 250,000,000 of them were healthy? They'd buy insurance, and ACA would flourish
 
Althea said:
Who cares if they're illegal aliens? Obamacare is a law. It has to do with insurance exchanges. If they buy insurance on or off the exchange, who cares about immigration status?
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If they get subsidized ocare I care.
But the law prohibited this (not that HHS has executed the law as written) so if the law means anything to you, you should care.
What hurts the most is that the young and healthy are not signing up (as predicted would happen) so their premiums are not leveling the load.
This disaster of a law was doomed from the start as it was structurally flawed. Horrid execution was just the artery clogging gravy.
 
Althea said:
Hypotheticals?

My favorite game. What if 250,000,000 of them were healthy? They'd buy insurance, and ACA would flourish
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And what percentage of the Mexicans crossing the border on foot or in crowded trailers where they die of heat exhaustion are wealthy.

Were you born a retard or did you have a chromosome removed?
 
Celticguy said:
If they get subsidized ocare I care.
But the law prohibited this (not that HHS has executed the law as written) so if the law means anything to you, you should care.
What hurts the most is that the young and healthy are not signing up (as predicted would happen) so their premiums are not leveling the load.
This disaster of a law was doomed from the start as it was structurally flawed. Horrid execution was just the artery clogging gravy.
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Those that are real Americans and do not sign up are fined, so the fine is a sort of premium. The problem is the 25 million Mexicans that will be here soon, and rightly so since everything here is free for them
 
Ziggy said:
Those that are real Americans and do not sign up are fined, so the fine is a sort of premium. The problem is the 25 million Mexicans that will be here soon, and rightly so since everything here is free for them
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The fine is far less than premiums and wit out a preexesting clause there is no reason to buy. The only ones signing up (and 1.5 million less this year) are those who have tax dollars paying.
So the only difference between then and now is a trillion in overhead costs.
 
Celticguy said:
The fine is far less than premiums and wit out a preexesting clause there is no reason to buy. The only ones signing up (and 1.5 million less this year) are those who have tax dollars paying.
So the only difference between then and now is a trillion in overhead costs.
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Sure there is a reason to buy, because a broken ankle or arm can cost ten to twenty thousand dollars to treat, something for the young and active crowd to think about.
 
Ziggy said:
Sure there is a reason to buy, because a broken ankle or arm can cost ten to twenty thousand dollars to treat, something for the young and active crowd to think about.
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More like 2500. Still less than premiums. But if it's bad you just sign up and you're good to go.
 
Ziggy said:
The x rays alone would cost that, and if you need pins and an external bar to keep the joint in line it's going to cost even more.
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Imaging about a grand and if surgery is involved yes it goes up. So then you buy.
This is what sunk juvenile care in Hawaii and Mass.
 
Celticguy said:
Imaging about a grand and if surgery is involved yes it goes up. So then you buy.
This is what sunk juvenile care in Hawaii and Mass.
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No the young do not care about this, they just believe that they will not get cancer or heart disease at their age but do not think about the dangers of skateboarding or mountain biking. Health insurance is a must if you want to not be afraid to live
 
Althea said:
Who cares if they're illegal aliens? Obamacare is a law. It has to do with insurance exchanges. If they buy insurance on or off the exchange, who cares about immigration status?
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No one should care about their immigration status; just so long as the fuckers are residing in their own countries and getting healthcare over there, then who really cares?
 
Granule said:
No one should care about their immigration status; just so long as the fuckers are residing in their own countries and getting healthcare over there, then who really cares?
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HUH? they are over here and getting free healthcare without contributing anything, which is the definition of free
 
Ziggy said:
HUH? they are over here and getting free healthcare without contributing anything, which is the definition of free
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And to the bigger point, they are here ILLEGALLY and getting free healthcare without contributing anything. So if we were able to keep them out of this country then they'd probably go back to their own country, get whatever help they can scrape up, and we wouldn't have to care about their immigration status because they wouldn't be here in the first place. Make sense?
 
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