Obama slaps the left in the face (detainee photo release)

SR_

SR_

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/12/prisoner.photos/index.html

President Obama has ordered government lawyers to object to the planned release of additional detainee photos, the White House said Wedneday.


The Iraqi Ministry of Justice gave journalists an inside look at the prison formerly known as Abu Ghraib.

The Defense Department was set to release hundreds of photographs showing alleged abuse of prisoners in detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"The president was concerned about harm to the troops," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday afternoon. "

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Two questions:

Will the liberal left ever forgive President Obama for this action?
Are there any arguments in favor of releasing these photos?

SR
 
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I am sure they will forgive him. OB could walk into a store, kill 10 people and the left would say it was Bush that drove him to do it and get off.
 
It's weak.

I'd love to see the argument they present in their court papers in response to the FOIA request because what they are offering to the press and to the public is extremely weak.
 
Dungheap said:
It's weak.

I'd love to see the argument they present in their court papers in response to the FOIA request because what they are offering to the press and to the public is extremely weak.
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im assuming you disagree with the Presidents decision?

so.. youre in favor of releasing the photographs? why?

SR
 
SR_ said:
im assuming you disagree with the Presidents decision?

so.. youre in favor of releasing the photographs? why?

SR
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Because there is no good reason not to release them. The way I see it, the burden should be on the government to show an actual compelling reason for keeping information from being disclosed in response to FOIA requests, not the other way around.

Edit: Basically, this:

The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan do not need pretexts for their barbarism; they have proven to be aggressive and pernicious in their choice of targets and tactics. They have driven exploding trucks into groups of children at play and men seeking work; they have attacked doctors, lawyers, teachers, judges and legislators as easily as soldiers. Their pretexts for carrying out violence are patent hypocrisies, clearly recognized as such except by those who would blur the clarity of their own vision. With great respect to the concerns expressed by General Myers, my task is not to defer to our worst fears, but to interpret and apply the law, in this case, the Freedom of Information Act, which advances values important to our society,
transparency and accountability in government.
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http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYSC/05-05912.PDF
 
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Dungheap said:
Because there is no good reason not to release them. The way I see it, the burden should be on the government to show an actual compelling reason for keeping information from being disclosed in response to FOIA requests, not the other way around.

Edit: Basically, this:



http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYSC/05-05912.PDF
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Dungheap,

Youre confused about what i was asking. I was asking you why you support the release of the photos. Is it really just because they exist, and therefor should be shown?

And youre also denying that photos such as these have actual effects in the real world? Because you seem to saying that if the photos are shown that there are no consequences and the argument the Obama administration is putting forth has no merit?

SR
 
SR_ said:
Dungheap,

Youre confused about what i was asking. I was asking you why you support the release of the photos. Is it really just because they exist, and therefor should be shown?

And youre also denying that photos such as these have actual effects in the real world? Because you seem to saying that if the photos are shown that there are no consequences and the argument the Obama administration is putting forth has no merit?

SR
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I don't think I'm confused at all. I support release of the photos because the law requires it in the absence of compelling reasons to justify their non-disclosure and, under the circumstances, there is no compelling reason to justify their non-disclosure.

It's fairly straightforward.

Why do you support the government shielding these photos from public consumption?
 
SR_ said:
Dungheap,

Youre confused about what i was asking. I was asking you why you support the release of the photos. Is it really just because they exist, and therefor should be shown?

And youre also denying that photos such as these have actual effects in the real world? Because you seem to saying that if the photos are shown that there are no consequences and the argument the Obama administration is putting forth has no merit?

SR
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The photos SHOULD be released BECAUSE they exist.

The "real world" already understands the mindset behind these barbaric actions. Trying to hide them now only pulls Obama into the frey.

The truth is that there is nothing to hide the "real world" doesn't already know about.
 
blackascoal said:
The photos SHOULD be released BECAUSE they exist.

The "real world" already understands the mindset behind these barbaric actions. Trying to hide them now only pulls Obama into the frey.

The truth is that there is nothing to hide the "real world" doesn't already know about.
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While I am not arguing for them to be held back... In the interest of logical debate: The same argument could be made in the other direction. If the world "already knows" then nothing can be gained through their release other than emotive response to graphic depictions that were otherwise only known mentally.
 
Damocles said:
While I am not arguing for them to be held back... In the interest of logical debate: The same argument could be made in the other direction. If the world "already knows" then nothing can be gained through their release other than emotive response to graphic depictions that were otherwise only known mentally.
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In other words this is another "Whoop De Do" post?
 
Mottleydude said:
In other words this is another "Whoop De Do" post?
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I don't necessarily care either way. I do not see much good coming from their release, nor any good from withholding them now that there was such a huge "we're going to show them" announcement.

It's basically bad news either way you go. People supposedly already know, as it was clearly stated by a different poster, what happened. I think this is Pandora trying to stuff everything back in and winding up only holding onto "hope".

The learn as you go President is still learning that maybe it's better not to announce stuff before it was clearly thought through.

However, the "they already know" argument can be used by either side, that was my point.
 
Dungheap said:
Because there is no good reason not to release them. The way I see it, the burden should be on the government to show an actual compelling reason for keeping information from being disclosed in response to FOIA requests, not the other way around.

Edit: Basically, this:



http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYSC/05-05912.PDF
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Sure the terrorist need no pretext, but the release of these photo's will drive more to their barbaric ranks, further endangering our troops.
 
blackascoal said:
The photos SHOULD be released BECAUSE they exist.

The "real world" already understands the mindset behind these barbaric actions. Trying to hide them now only pulls Obama into the frey.

The truth is that there is nothing to hide the "real world" doesn't already know about.
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That's retarded, that's like say just because a fire is already lit, it's fine to throw gasoline on it.
 
WRL said:
Sure the terrorist need no pretext, but the release of these photo's will drive more to their barbaric ranks, further endangering our troops.
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That's what we in the real world call unsubstantiated horseshit. Saying the same thing over and over and over again doesn't make it true. And it sure as hell doesn't meet the requirements of FOIA.
 
Dungheap said:
That's what we in the real world call unsubstantiated horseshit. Saying the same thing over and over and over again doesn't make it true. And it sure as hell doesn't meet the requirements of FOIA.
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So you would argue that the initial release of the Abu Grab photos didn't inflame anti American resentment, I certainly hope not because that is naive to the fullest extent.
 
Dungheap said:
I don't think I'm confused at all. I support release of the photos because the law requires it in the absence of compelling reasons to justify their non-disclosure and, under the circumstances, there is no compelling reason to justify their non-disclosure.

It's fairly straightforward.

Why do you support the government shielding these photos from public consumption?
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What youre confused about is the answer you keep giving in regards to a judicial ruling. The administration could win.. thus the law would be on the side of Obama and these photos will not be released. I think, from your statements that you wouldnt then support their stance because the law would be on the administrations side.

Clearly you dont feel that the safety of American military personell or the gains we have made as a reason NOT to release the photos is sufficient... however a judge may find a different conclusion, and so I was asking WHY YOU feel there is a necessity to release these photos.

SR
 
SR_ said:
What youre confused about is the answer you keep giving in regards to a judicial ruling. The administration could win.. thus the law would be on the side of Obama and these photos will not be released. I think, from your statements that you wouldnt then support their stance because the law would be on the administrations side.

Clearly you dont feel that the safety of American military personell or the gains we have made as a reason NOT to release the photos is sufficient... however a judge may find a different conclusion, and so I was asking WHY YOU feel there is a necessity to release these photos.

SR
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I gave you my answer: the law requires it.

Now answer mine.
 
SR_ said:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/12/prisoner.photos/index.html

President Obama has ordered government lawyers to object to the planned release of additional detainee photos, the White House said Wedneday.


The Iraqi Ministry of Justice gave journalists an inside look at the prison formerly known as Abu Ghraib.

The Defense Department was set to release hundreds of photographs showing alleged abuse of prisoners in detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"The president was concerned about harm to the troops," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday afternoon. "

__________________________

Two questions:

Will the liberal left ever forgive President Obama for this action?
Are there any arguments in favor of releasing these photos?

SR
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Yes, Mr. Mouth and arrogance feels the weight of troops at risk now that he's president. That's something at least.
 
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