Obama Resumes Military Tribunals at Gitmo... liberals silence on campaign LIE!

I have no objection to this, I think it is the right thing to do. Give them their trials and let them sit there. I notice that GITMO is still open, that extraordinary rendition still happens, that warrantless wiretapping has been strengthened rather than ended, I notice we still have troops in Iraq, that we have more than before in Afghanistan...

I notice a bunch...
 
Damocles said:
I have no objection to this, I think it is the right thing to do. Give them their trials and let them sit there. I notice that GITMO is still open, that extraordinary rendition still happens, that warrantless wiretapping has been strengthened rather than ended, I notice we still have troops in Iraq, that we have more than before in Afghanistan...

I notice a bunch...
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I think that the intention of the thread was to bring to light that the daily outrage over these things that we listened to under Bush, have all but hushed the fuck up under Obama~
 
Bfgrn said:
Sorry Dixie, Obama's decision is no endorsement of Republicans and their totalitarian methods.
Gitmo, Extension of Bush tax cuts, TARP, Patriot Act....
Obama is Bush Lite and you're in denial...
It is a indictment of Congress. He is dealing with the reality that Congress' vehement opposition to trying detainees on U.S. soil leaves them nowhere else to go. The president emphasized his preference for trials in federal civilian courts, and his administration blamed congressional meddling for closing off that avenue.
Obama OWNED the ENTIRE congress, could have passed any "reasonable" legislation.....and you're still in denial
Obama also said in his statement. "Going forward, all branches of government have a responsibility to come together to forge a strong and durable approach to defend our nation and the values that define who we are as a nation."

It's time to end this dark and ugly chapter in our history and try to heal the black eye this gives America. What is so ironic Dixie, Guantanamo is right out of Stalin's playbook. But when Republicans do it, it is not evil, it is righteous.
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Gitmo is righteous no matter who puts it to use as a tool against radical Islamic terrorists....give your boy a little credit
Bfgrn said:
It is something he should have never had to deal with. But a president is not a dictator, which is a concept you don't understand.
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Thats right, he gets Congress to agree with him...very good....just as Bush did in getting the Iraqi War Resolution passed....

Bfgrn said:
You know what Ice Dancer, I don't give a shit about Obama and his party or Republicans and their Gestapo party.

Believe it or not, there was a time I supported George W. Bush. I was for going into Afghanistan to find bin Laden after 9/11. But as soon as Iraq became his focus, I was vehemently against it. Bush's action metastasized my opposition to him. It wasn't a partisan decision.

Here is an example of how that man's priorities cost human beings their lives...innocent human beings. It shouldn't matter if they are American, innocent is innocent, and human life is human life.
There are seldom any innocent on the battlefield, as there was in the WTC.
April 9, 2010
George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent'

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.
George, Dick and Don...I guess they were dictators...
The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He claimed that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to Guantánamo in 2002 were innocent but believed that it was “politically impossible to release them”.
Amazing how "allegations" come out of the woodwork, without fail, when someone writes a book...ironic.........
Yet, when the accuser writes a book explaining his actions and defending his character, he's labeled a liar...funny how that works...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece
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Bfgrn said:
The best way to resolve Bush's fiasco is to have the people being incarcerated at Gitmo stand trial. The President wanted them to stand trial in the United States using our criminal justice system that has worked for centuries, and we have successfully held trials in the past for people charged with terrorism. Even though this will reignite arguments over the legality of the military commissions, it is the proper thing to do.
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Well....Obama is the President for some time now....
and you're a pinhead, left wing apoligist yelling "its Bush's fault, Its Bush's fault" like a silly child in the playground...
 
Ice Dancer said:
I think that the intention of the thread was to bring to light that the daily outrage over these things that we listened to under Bush, have all but hushed the fuck up under Obama~
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The main intention was actually to once again reveal Dixie's personal hell from 2001 through 2008, and how his entire m.o. is one of payback.

Obama's actions or inactions are basically inconsequential; a month ago, Dixie was calling Egypt Obama's Iran and decrying his lack of forceful action; today, he started a thread saying he's just like Bush for talking about forceful action in Libya.

Obama can cure cancer, and we'll hear some sort of "where is the left now" spin from Dix...
 
Damocles said:
I have no objection to this, I think it is the right thing to do. Give them their trials and let them sit there. I notice that GITMO is still open, that extraordinary rendition still happens, that warrantless wiretapping has been strengthened rather than ended, I notice we still have troops in Iraq, that we have more than before in Afghanistan...

I notice a bunch...
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"extraordinary rendition".....perfected by the Clinton Administration and nary a harsh word spoken against it for all those years....odd, isn't it ?
 
Damocles said:
I have no objection to this, I think it is the right thing to do. Give them their trials and let them sit there. I notice that GITMO is still open, that extraordinary rendition still happens, that warrantless wiretapping has been strengthened rather than ended, I notice we still have troops in Iraq, that we have more than before in Afghanistan...

I notice a bunch...
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I am not happy and continue with assaulting the WH with my poison pen letters!
 
bravo said:
Gitmo is righteous no matter who puts it to use as a tool against radical Islamic terrorists....give your boy a little credit

Thats right, he gets Congress to agree with him...very good....just as Bush did in getting the Iraqi War Resolution passed....




Well....Obama is the President for some time now....
and you're a pinhead, left wing apoligist yelling "its Bush's fault, Its Bush's fault" like a silly child in the playground...
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It is really amazing that when it comes to killing, bombing, shooting and incarcerating human beings, you right wingers are devout Statists. But when the government does something to help people, government is evil, fascist, Communist and wrong.

George Orwell said: "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them" He should have added "a remarkable capacity for denial"

Pakistan’s former president, General Pervez Musharraf, in his published memoirs describes how the U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan immediately post-September 11th if his Islamic government did not cooperate in the "War on Terror" (“Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age!” exclaimed then-U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage). He spills various classified beans about shipping centrifuges to North Korea, and how his country’s nuclear deterrent was not even operational when they threatened India in 1999.

One of the most interesting nuggets involves Pakistan’s sale of hundreds of stray Arabs to the Americans, for shipment to Bagram Airforce Base and on to Guantánamo Bay. Many of my clients in Cuba insist that, far from being captured on the battlefield of Afghanistan, they were grabbed in Pakistan and flogged to the Americans like slaves at auction. Predictably enough, for five years the Bush Administration has remained very silent on the issue, but Musharraf’s book sheds new light.

“Many members of al-Qaeda fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Pakistan,” Musharraf writes. “We have played cat and mouse with them. … We have captured 689 and handed over 369 to the United States. We have earned bounties totaling millions of dollars. Those who habitually accuse us of ‘not doing enough’ in the war on terror should simply ask the CIA how much prize money it has paid to the Government of Pakistan.”

The payment of bounties helps us to understand why so many innocent prisoners ended up in Guantánamo Bay. Musharraf writes that ‘millions’ were paid for 369 prisoners -- the minimum rate was apparently $5,000. This may not sound a lot, but in Pakistan the per capita income is $720, so it represents seven years’ salary. That would be the equivalent of $207,000 in Britain, enough to tempt anyone to shop an unwanted Arab to the Americans, gift-wrapped with a story that he was up to no good in Afghanistan.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200610090029
 
The payment of bounties helps us to understand why so many innocent prisoners ended up in Guantánamo Bay.
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Aww... and your main man Obama has chosen to keep them there indefinitely and give them military tribunals, just like the evil George W. Bush who put them there! You must be so disappointed!
 
Dixie said:
Aww... and your main man Obama has chosen to keep them there indefinitely and give them military tribunals, just like the evil George W. Bush who put them there! You must be so disappointed!
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Yes, greatly, something you wouldn't understand because you keep moving the marker for those you support, but progressives have standards!:loveu:
 
Neon Kokugen said:
Hmmm i read this a couple times and it seems not to mention the fact that congress is refusing to pay for them to come to America and do federal trials so Obama had no choice but to do Tribunals or they would just end up rotting there.
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i don't believe your take is accurate and misses many facts. first off...obama could have closed gitmo immediately. that has nothing to do with funding from congress. obama, as the CEO of the executive branch could order them to stand trial here. the money issue is a red herring and your fell for it.
 
Rana said:
yes, hard to believe that of progressives, but once you remove the blinders and the hate, you will be able to see just that! Sweetie:loveu:
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So you're saying that if the blinders and the hate are removed from "progressives", then they're easier to understand!! :good4u:
 
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