Obama releases 10 Gitmo-Bay detainees to Oman...?

christiefan915 said:
No, I'm talking about recidivism rates on people who were released from prison and the OP's claim that the Gitmo detainees will just go back to fighting. If I were picked up under a pretext and held for years, I'd probably want to fight against the US also.

You and I both know that everyone tossed into Gitmo wasn't a terrorist. Guantanamo is a stain on our reputation and nobody should be defending it.

"Although the Bush administration said most of the men had been captured fighting in Afghanistan, a 2006 report prepared by the Center for Policy and Research, Seton Hall University Law School reviewed DoD data for the remaining 517 men in 2005 and "established that over 80% of the prisoners were captured not by Americans on the battlefield but by Pakistanis and Afghans, often in exchange for bounty payments."[SUP][29][/SUP] The U.S. offered $5,000 per prisoner and distributed leaflets widely in the region. A perfect example would be Adel Noori, a Chinese Uighur and dissident who had been sold to the US by Pakistani bounty hunters.[SUP][30][/SUP]
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Are you up for a CAIR award?
 
christiefan915 said:
No, I'm talking about recidivism rates on people who were released from prison and the OP's claim that the Gitmo detainees will just go back to fighting. If I were picked up under a pretext and held for years, I'd probably want to fight against the US also.

You and I both know that everyone tossed into Gitmo wasn't a terrorist. Guantanamo is a stain on our reputation and nobody should be defending it.

"Although the Bush administration said most of the men had been captured fighting in Afghanistan, a 2006 report prepared by the Center for Policy and Research, Seton Hall University Law School reviewed DoD data for the remaining 517 men in 2005 and "established that over 80% of the prisoners were captured not by Americans on the battlefield but by Pakistanis and Afghans, often in exchange for bounty payments."[SUP][29][/SUP] The U.S. offered $5,000 per prisoner and distributed leaflets widely in the region. A perfect example would be Adel Noori, a Chinese Uighur and dissident who had been sold to the US by Pakistani bounty hunters.[SUP][30][/SUP]
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No...we don't know that everyone tossed into Gitmo wasn't a terrorist.

Detaining enemy combatants or even suspected enemy combatants is for our own protection....no different than detaining POWs in any other war.....we just didn't go to some US
mosque and pack up the worshipers and send them to Cuba.....I don't deny that some sent there were found not to combatants and but they still had to be vetted for our own good.
If that saved even one Americans life, I'm all for it....
The ones that Obama is releasing are the worst of the worst. They were not released in the past for a reason....and are only being released now for one reason....and thats because
the arrogant asshole in Washington feels he must keep a stupid campaign promise at all costs.....
He kills innocents with his drone strikes and then releases KNOWN terrorists.
I'm more concerned with saving an American life than our "reputation'.....and the drone killing hurts us more than keeping terrorists alive with TV and 3 squares a day in Gitmo.....
I served in Gitmo for more than a year.....a 'captive' to the base most of the time at its akin to a Caribbean resort compared to the way these scumbags used to live....
 
NOVA said:
No...we don't know that everyone tossed into Gitmo wasn't a terrorist.

Detaining enemy combatants or even suspected enemy combatants is for our own protection....no different than detaining POWs in any other war.....we just didn't go to some US
mosque and pack up the worshipers and send them to Cuba.....I don't deny that some sent there were found not to combatants and but they still had to be vetted for our own good.
If that saved even one Americans life, I'm all for it....
The ones that Obama is releasing are the worst of the worst. They were not released in the past for a reason....and are only being released now for one reason....and thats because
the arrogant asshole in Washington feels he must keep a stupid campaign promise at all costs.....
He kills innocents with his drone strikes and then releases KNOWN terrorists.
I'm more concerned with saving an American life than our "reputation'.....and the drone killing hurts us more than keeping terrorists alive with TV and 3 squares a day in Gitmo.....
I served in Gitmo for more than a year.....a 'captive' to the base most of the time at its akin to a Caribbean resort compared to the way these scumbags used to live....
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If you don't want to consider reports that were based on FOIA material from the DOD, there's nothing else I can say.

"The [Center for Policy and Research] has released numerous reports analyzing aspects of the Guantánamo Bay detention camp and its operation, the characteristics of the detainees, and the camp's role in national security policy. The Center has issued reports regarding how the detainees were initially collected, weight data of the detainees, the recidivism rates of released prisoners, the incidents surrounding an alleged triple suicide at the camp in June 2006, detainee interrogation methods, and other issues. The various Guantánamo reports have been cited by various media outlets such as the New York Times,[SUP][1][/SUP] the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, Salon.com,[SUP][2][/SUP] Slate.com,[SUP][3][/SUP] the Huffington Post,[SUP][4][/SUP] CBS, MSNBC, and Fox News.

The Center documented that an estimated 80% of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay detention camp had not been captured in military action, as claimed by the Bush administration, but had been transferred to US forces by Afghan and Pakistani forces to receive bounty payments. Many of the detainees had been missionaries or charitable workers.

In 2009, the Center issued a report, Death in Camp Delta, which analyzed the NCIS investigation report, published in 2008, of the deaths of three detainees in Guantánamo Bay on June 10, 2006, which were reported as suicides. According to the Center report, the June 2006 deaths raised serious questions about the security of the Camp, the duties of officials of the multiple defense and intelligence agencies that allowed three detainees to die, and the quality of the investigation into the cause of the deaths.[SUP][5][/SUP]

In 2011, the Center released The Guantanamo Diet: Actual Facts about Detainee Weight Changes. Using data of detainee weigh-ins released by the Department of Defense, the Center was able to discern that detainees’ weights varied so dramatically that many detainees have been obese briefly and under-nourished at other times. The same percentage of Guantánamo detainees have become underweight at some point as have become obese at some point."
 
christiefan915 said:
If you don't want to consider reports that were based on FOIA material from the DOD, there's nothing else I can say.

"The [Center for Policy and Research] has released numerous reports analyzing aspects of the Guantánamo Bay detention camp and its operation, the characteristics of the detainees, and the camp's role in national security policy. The Center has issued reports regarding how the detainees were initially collected, weight data of the detainees, the recidivism rates of released prisoners, the incidents surrounding an alleged triple suicide at the camp in June 2006, detainee interrogation methods, and other issues. The various Guantánamo reports have been cited by various media outlets such as the New York Times,[SUP][1][/SUP] the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, Salon.com,[SUP][2][/SUP] Slate.com,[SUP][3][/SUP] the Huffington Post,[SUP][4][/SUP] CBS, MSNBC, and Fox News.

The Center documented that an estimated 80% of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay detention camp had not been captured in military action, as claimed by the Bush administration, but had been transferred to US forces by Afghan and Pakistani forces to receive bounty payments. Many of the detainees had been missionaries or charitable workers.

In 2009, the Center issued a report, Death in Camp Delta, which analyzed the NCIS investigation report, published in 2008, of the deaths of three detainees in Guantánamo Bay on June 10, 2006, which were reported as suicides. According to the Center report, the June 2006 deaths raised serious questions about the security of the Camp, the duties of officials of the multiple defense and intelligence agencies that allowed three detainees to die, and the quality of the investigation into the cause of the deaths.[SUP][5][/SUP]

In 2011, the Center released The Guantanamo Diet: Actual Facts about Detainee Weight Changes. Using data of detainee weigh-ins released by the Department of Defense, the Center was able to discern that detainees’ weights varied so dramatically that many detainees have been obese briefly and under-nourished at other times. The same percentage of Guantánamo detainees have become underweight at some point as have become obese at some point."
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Using your logic of how individuals are "captured"; you must then also believe that bank robbers can only be arrested, if they're caught in the bank or immediately leaving it and that relying upon witnesses are to be ignored. :palm:
 
Rana said:
We can not keep these men indefinitely unless we formally charge them with a crime. It is our law. We release dangerous men back into society all the time, if they are caught again, committing terrorism against the US they will either be killed in battle, killed by drone or captured and tried.

GITMO needs to be closed.
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And how many times do those people end up killing people, and everyone saying, "why'd you let him out in the first place!" You knew he was dangerous.

Keep in mind these are not political prisoners. They are combatants in the WOT. And last I checked the war is NOT over. Did we release Germans and Japanese before they surrendered?
 
NOVA said:
and why is this relevant when the topic is Gitmo prisoners ?

You trying to compare common criminals to Islamic terrorists ?......

Poor Christiefan
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We treat our soldiers worst than these terrorists.

If our soldiers are prosecuted they get court marshals. Obama wants to give them American Civilian trials, that are not afforded to our military people.
 
Irish said:
We treat our soldiers worst than these terrorists.

If our soldiers are prosecuted they get court marshals. Obama wants to give them American Civilian trials, that are not afforded to our military people.
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If Gitmo detainees are prosecuted they don't go free and American soldiers are prosecuted BY courts marshal.
 
Al-Shabab seizes African Union base in Somalia

Al-Shabab militants have overrun an African Union military base outside the southern Somali town of el-Ade.

The Islamist group says it has taken "complete control" of the AU camp and killed more than 60 Kenyan soldiers.

Residents told the BBC that al-Shabab had raised its flag at a camp for Kenyan troops and said insurgents had paraded bodies through the town

Kenya contributes more than 4,000 troops to the 22,000-strong AU force that is in Somalia helping the UN-backed government battle al-Shabab, which is part of al-Qaeda.

Al-Shabab is keen to stress - both to the foreign forces in Somalia and would-be defectors within its ranks enamoured by so-called Islamic State - that it is a force to be reckoned with.
 
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