You're right NO COMPARISON; by scale this is a much smaller and therefore EASIER disaster to have gotten a handle on...right?
Obama passing the buck?
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You're right NO COMPARISON; by scale this is a much smaller and therefore EASIER disaster to have gotten a handle on...right?
LOL - so you're buying into it, as well. Sure, ID - an oil spill from a private company, which 16 gov't agencies are assisting with, and for which no people are stranded in the streets and no major American cities flooded, is the same as Katrina, where Bush assured 2 days prior that the Feds were ready for anything, chilled at his ranch in Crawford while CNN (and Fox) showed thousands struggling in the flooded streets of NO, and who had appointed a stallion trainer & ol' buddy to the head of FEMA.
You're right; how could I be so blind. This is Obama's screw-up, and he should really be down there with a mop on the beach to get rid of all of that oil. What a Presidential failure.
You guys are really redefining "hack" every day. It's a treat.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Oncie, the irony here is do the people in this sig your arguing with even realize that you're a Republican?
Doesn't it discourage you when your center right views are lambasted and marginalized by those on the far right?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Dude you're so fucking clueless on this. The Coast Gaurd Responded to the oil rig explosion shortly after it occurred. The USCG is the best trained organization in the world for these kinds of spills and they were on their way within minutes of the explosion. So spare us the false analogy and the false outrage while you're at it. Oncie has owned your ass in this argument.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's a good point. I'm so focused on the extent of the spill, it's ecological implications and the technical and logistical requirements for remediation that I hadn't given much thought to how much this will cost the tax payers. By god the government better lay that cost at BP's door!
Bush requested that local and state authorities evacuate...they failed to act leaving their citizens dependent on federal aid. FEMA got in as quickly as FEMA could get in. Could it have been a better coordinated effort...YES. Bush was on the ground in flood ravaged areas asap. I note Obama was immediately on the ground in Haiti ...no? Your willingness to point fingers at one administration in the midst of a massive and devastating natural disaster rings hollow in light of your unwillingness to note how slow and uninvolved Obama is in this one.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Your comparison doesn't hold water.
Hurricane Katrina and the Haiti earthquake were NATURAL disasters.
The oil platform collapse is a MAN MADE disaster, and it is the responsibility of BP to clean it up or to request assistance doing so.
The presidents response with federal aid is the comparison fatty.
I made a comparison about Obama not being immediately "on the ground" in Haiti to the stupid comment about Bush being safely at his ranch during Katrina...try and keep up and not so reactive.
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how many times do i have to point out to you that the damage from katrina was largely due to the MAN MADE levies
your logic in this is wholly without merit and is nothing but partisan hackmanship...if a nuclear plant had a meltdown, you would have a believe that the government has ZERO responsibility to clean it up and that the plant should NOT request assistance...
you are the biggest idiot i've come across
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mott, no offense, but you are one of the biggest partisan hacks on this board, that you need to tell onceler he pwned me is like a gift....thank you
and tell me, was the response adequate? of course not, the spill is larger than anticipated, so, like katrina, the federal government has not prepared for the scale of damage....yet bush was called a racist and blamed....obama gets a pass....i don't expect you to be honest and admit it, i'm sure we will be treated to yet another yurt is pwned in this thread
hack
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
Well, Obama is going to do a fly-over within 48 hours. He must have gotten the hint.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
BS, when were you ever worried what it cost the taxpayer?
zappasguitar
Well-known member
I've never stated once that these plants CAN'T ask for government assistance, but for them and you to just expect the government to be ready to step in a solve a crisis created by greedy corporate fatcats is hypocritical. They want deregulation, then BP can take care of their own mess and deal with the public and financial fallout on their own.
Nuclear power plants are HIGHLY REGULATED by the federal government and I would expect a great degree of government involvement in damage control, cleanup and repair and recovery.
Petroleum producers have long whined that LESS GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND OVERSIGHT then they would be fully able to police themselves.
They got their wish, and yet now you and other partisan hacks still expect the Government co come to their rescue. Petroleum producers made their own bed, now they get to lie in it.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Well it is good to know that Obama responded to the Haiti earthquake but there is a significant difference between that and when Katrina........OBAMA ISN"T THE HEAD OF STATE OF HAITI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, there's probably on a handful of wingnuts who can't shake their head at Bush's perforamance of complete incompetence over Katrina. Even Wallmart out performed him and it would have been excusable had their ineptitude lasted a day or two with a slow response but IT WENT ON FOR WEEKS!!!!!
Only a moron of the first magnitude could make this comparison. Do ya'll have any idea how badly you're being laughed at. Ya'll are simply pathetic if you're so hatefull of Obama that you're making this comparison.
Is it safe to assume that when the next US soldier gets killed in Iraq you're going to blame Obama for the Iraq fiasco? Oh you guys are funny.
Eh; say whatever you want. The history books are written on Katrina, the verdict is in, and your version didn't make the cut. Bush was slow to respond publicly, assured them beforehand that they were ready for anything, and appointed a horse trainer to the HEAD OF FEMA, because he was an ol' pal.
I can't think of an incident in Presidential history that so fully embodies the defining characteristic of a given administration: in Bush's case, incompetence. The man was in way over his head, from day 1.
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liar:
this thread is about comparing the reaction to the government's response, stay on track if you can neg rep queen
Yurt, people criticized Bush because his reaction was terrible, and his preparation was terrible. Even Republicans acknowledge this.
Once again, there is nothing comparable in this case for the current admin. I am truly sorry about that, because I can tell you've been carrying around Katrina like a ball & chain for Bush, but that's just how it is.
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you need to get your facts straight on brown's hire history...he was confirmed by the senate, he was also deputy director before he was the head of fema and he was hired by joe allbaugh as general counsel before that...and it was chertoff that put him in charge of katrina
you've dishonestly portrayed his hire history in this thread
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Alrightie...then just show me where, in the sentence you quoted, I stated that BP couldn't ask for help, and I will admit you are right...
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it's not the Government's job to clean up after some greedy corporate fatcats who couldn't be bothered to insall the auto cutoff that would have avoided this whole disaster.
Above is the comment you quoted earlier...show me where I said BP couldn't ask for help...come on hack.