Obama now giving "severe weather" amnesty to undocumented democrats

[cawacko]

Why do you think illegals who gain citizenship and vote will vote Democratic, if that's true?

They can't vote in federal elections but can in many state elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States

We can take a look at how various ethnic groups vote in elections. Do Republicans get a majority of any group other than white males?

When Democrats talk about the demographic change in this country and old white Republicans dying out do you think are doing so because they think all the new minorities will vote Republican?

 

[christiefan915]

Wow. This is some serious alternative reality stuff.

First off the whole 'Obama coalition' is centered around minority voters and women so the Democrats are definitely incentivized to allow more minority immigrants to come to this country.

This raises the question, what do you think Dems are offering to women and minorities to get votes?

The way I see it is mostly that Dems don't want to take away anything from women, unlike repubs who would love to repeal Roe v. Wade, for example.

 

[cawacko]

This raises the question, what do you think Dems are offering to women and minorities to get votes?

The way I see it is mostly that Dems don't want to take away anything from women, unlike repubs who would love to repeal Roe v. Wade, for example.

That's a different discussion or at least the next step in the discussion. But as far as illegals go Democrats support them because the Hispanics are a large voting block and they strongly support Democrats.

 

[christiefan915]

Liar.
Racist.

The sad thing is, they spout this drivel and apparently have no clue what it implies about them.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

LOL, you love attacking others but sure turn into a pussy when you feel someone says something to you.

Try to follow along here Zap. Rune claims Democrats have no benefits from illegal immigrants. Well when illegals because citizens they largely vote Democratic. So the party has a vested interested in both them coming here and then becoming citizens.

Conversely the GOP benefits from exploiting illegal Latino's for cheap labor then booting them to the curb and sending them back to Mexico when they are done exploiting them. Why wouldn't they vote for Democrat when they become Citizens?

The GOP doesn't really want to address the Elephant in the room (pardon the pun) on this issue and that is the problem they have with the Redneck part of their coalition and their racist views.

My wife is an immigrant and a very conservative person. Religion and conservative social values are a large part of her value system and on the business side she deplores excessive taxation, regulation and people who think they have a right to that which they have not earned or produce.

Yet she's appalled by the GOP and has no intention of voting for them now that she's a U.S. Citizen and it's not because of conservative policies but because of the gross racism of the Redneck faction of the GOP. She has no illusions now that she's been here ten years what the average redneck thinks of her.

I'm another example. I think the far left can go fuck themselves. They got a bad habit of putting their hands in my pockets and trying to disincentivising those who produce to pay a better standard of living for those who don't. Fuck that. I didn't work as long and as hard as I have to earn an upper middle class income to have much patience with someone who thinks the world owes them a living.

Yet I vote Democrat. Why? Not because I have a problem with conservatism but because I have a problem with Plutocrats who want to rig the system to only favor them but mostly because of the Redneck faction of the party with it's bigotry, anti-intellectualism, backward facing views and short sightedness that appalls me.

I can deal with the Plutocrats. We have the numbers and they don't and they can't profit without us. The Redneck part of the GOP coalition I want nothing to do with. I don't share many of their values and they are one of least capable group of people to lead this country. The Plutocrats may be my opponents but lead they can. The Redneck faction of the GOP couldn't lead a duck to water let alone the greatest nation on the planet.

So my hostility towards the GOP is not towards conservatives but specifically with the Redneck part of the GOP coalition.

 

[christiefan915]

We can take a look at how various ethnic groups vote in elections. Do Republicans get a majority of any group other than white males?

When Democrats talk about the demographic change in this country and old white Republicans dying out do you think are doing so because they think all the new minorities will vote Republican?

My question boils down to why these groups vote Democratic, if that's true. What is the Republican party doing wrong to drive these people to voting dem?

 

[Phantasmal]

Conversely the GOP benefits from exploiting illegal Latino's for cheap labor then booting them to the curb and sending them back to Mexico when they are done exploiting them. Why wouldn't they vote for Democrat when they become Citizens.

The GOP doesn't really want to address the Elephant in the room (pardon the pun) on this issue and that it's the problem they have with the Redneck part of their coalition and their racist views.

My wife is an immigrant and a very conservative person. Religion and conservative social values are a large part of her value system and on the business side she deplores excessive taxation, regulation and people who think they have a right to that which they have not earned or produce.

Yet she's appalled by the GOP and has no intention of voting for them now that she's a U.S. Citizen and it's not because of conservative policies but because of the gross racism of the Redneck faction of the GOP.

I'm another example. I think the far left can go fuck themselves. They got a bad habit of putting their hands in my pockets and trying disincentivising those who produce to pay a better standard of living for those who don't. Fuck that. I didn't work as long and as hard as I have to earn an upper middle class income to have much patience with someone who thinks the world owes them a living.

Yet I vote Democrat. Why? Not because I have a problem with conservatism but because I have a problem with Plutocrats who want to rig the system to only favor them but mostly because of the Redneck faction of the party with it's bigotry, anti-intellectualism, backward facing views and short sightedness appalls me.

The thing is I see both sides sticking their hands into others pockets, the only difference is where the money goes.

I would rather subsidize the poor than the rich.

 

[cawacko]

Conversely the GOP benefits from exploiting illegal Latino's for cheap labor then booting them to the curb and sending them back to Mexico when they are done exploiting them. Why wouldn't they vote for Democrat when they become Citizens.

The GOP doesn't really want to address the Elephant in the room (pardon the pun) on this issue and that it's the problem they have with the Redneck part of their coalition and their racist views.

My wife is an immigrant and a very conservative person. Religion and conservative social values are a large part of her value system and on the business side she deplores excessive taxation, regulation and people who think they have a right to that which they have not earned or produce.

Yet she's appalled by the GOP and has no intention of voting for them now that she's a U.S. Citizen and it's not because of conservative policies but because of the gross racism of the Redneck faction of the GOP.

I'm another example. I think the far left can go fuck themselves. They got a bad habit of putting their hands in my pockets and trying disincentivising those who produce to pay a better standard of living for those who don't. Fuck that. I didn't work as long and as hard as I have to earn an upper middle class income to have much patience with someone who thinks the world owes them a living.

Yet I vote Democrat. Why? Not because I have a problem with conservatism but because I have a problem with Plutocrats who want to rig the system to only favor them but mostly because of the Redneck faction of the party with it's bigotry, anti-intellectualism, backward facing views and short sightedness appalls me.

It's not in question there is a good portion of the Republican Party that is pro free trade and pro immigration and likes the cheap labor. In this particular instance we were discussing Democrats and illegals.

Yes there are racist rednecks. But there are also blue collar high school educated whites who aren't racist but think bringing in illegals takes jobs away and lowers their wages. Bernie Sanders is making that same argument.

 

[cawacko]

My question boils down to why these groups vote Democratic, if that's true. What is the Republican party doing wrong to drive these people to voting dem?

If that's true? I say this with all due respect as you're a smart woman but do you really not know how the various large (specifically black and Hispanic) groups vote in national elections?

 

[zappasguitar]

That's a different discussion or at least the next step in the discussion. But as far as illegals go Democrats support them because the Hispanics are a large voting block and they strongly support Democrats.

Well maybe if Republicans tried for once to act like they actually CARE about others, then some Hispanics might vote for them.

As long as Hispanics watch Republicans do everything within their power to hamstring immigrant's attempts to enter the country, they aren't going to vote for them after they gain citizenship.

 

[christiefan915]

If that's true? I say this with all due respect as you're a smart woman but do you really not know how the various large (specifically black and Hispanic) groups vote in national elections?

I know about blacks, Hispanics I'm not sure about. Understand Cuban Hispanics vote republican mostly.

Again what is the Republican party doing wrong that these people won't vote for them?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The thing is I see both sides sticking their hands into others pockets, the only difference is where the money goes.

I would rather subsidize the poor than the rich.

I agree with your observation but not your preference. I think we have a political system that does not represent the middle, technical and professional class of this country at all.

I see the Democrats who want to artificially re-distribute my money downwards to those who didn't produce it and I see the GOP as wanting to re-distribute my money upwards to those who didn't produce it.

For a stable society the poor do need to be subsidized to a certain degree to avoid political instability and unrest but the whole sale redistribution of the vast majority of economic growth to less than 0.1% of the population is a far graver threat to my livelihood and is the primary reason that I vote Democrat. That and my hostility towards the Redneck faction of the GOP.

 

[cawacko]

If that's true? I say this with all due respect as you're a smart woman but do you really not know how the various large (specifically black and Hispanic) groups vote in national elections?

It's why Democrats are happy to have more illegals come into the country and stay here one they get here.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It's not in question there is a good portion of the Republican Party that is pro free trade and pro immigration and likes the cheap labor. In this particular instance we were discussing Democrats and illegals.

Yes there are racist rednecks. But there are also blue collar high school educated whites who aren't racist but think bringing in illegals takes jobs away and lowers their wages. Bernie Sanders is making that same argument.

Agreed. It's also an easy problem to solve. Put the people who hire them in jail and/or give them large fine. Eliminate demand and you eliminate supply.

We both know that's not going to happen though, is it?

 

[Rune]

It's not in question there is a good portion of the Republican Party that is pro free trade and pro immigration and likes the cheap labor. In this particular instance we were discussing Democrats and illegals.

Yes there are racist rednecks. But there are also blue collar high school educated whites who aren't racist but think bringing in illegals takes jobs away and lowers their wages. Bernie Sanders is making that same argument.

Good to hear.

 

[Rune]

There is literally no risk, no way to apprehend, you cannot request identification beyond a copy of a utility bill and even that can literally be something copied. If they need help because they don't speak English they get it. Nothing at all would indicate any need to be afraid of being "apprehended" for casting an illegal ballot. Shoot, ballots pile up at apartment buildings with nobody there to receive them and we have Democratic party officials cheering on somebody suggesting they take all the unvoted ballots and vote them on their behalf...

Seriously, any idea that balloting is in any way safe from fraud and abuse is absurd.

An illegal caught voting faces 5 years in jail a $10,000 fine and lifetime deportation. You sir are full of shit.

 

[NOVA]

Conversely the GOP benefits from exploiting illegal Latino's for cheap labor then booting them to the curb and sending them back to Mexico when they are done exploiting them. Why wouldn't they vote for Democrat when they become Citizens.

The GOP doesn't really want to address the Elephant in the room (pardon the pun) on this issue and that it's the problem they have with the Redneck part of their coalition and their racist views.

My wife is an immigrant and a very conservative person. Religion and conservative social values are a large part of her value system and on the business side she deplores excessive taxation, regulation and people who think they have a right to that which they have not earned or produce.

Yet she's appalled by the GOP and has no intention of voting for them now that she's a U.S. Citizen and it's not because of conservative policies but because of the gross racism of the Redneck faction of the GOP.

I'm another example. I think the far left can go fuck themselves. They got a bad habit of putting their hands in my pockets and trying disincentivising those who produce to pay a better standard of living for those who don't. Fuck that. I didn't work as long and as hard as I have to earn an upper middle class income to have much patience with someone who thinks the world owes them a living.

Yet I vote Democrat. Why? Not because I have a problem with conservatism but because I have a problem with Plutocrats who want to rig the system to only favor them but mostly because of the Redneck faction of the party with it's bigotry, anti-intellectualism, backward facing views and short sightedness appalls me.

So you and your wife are the kind of fools that if they find a rotten cherry in their cherry tree, cut down the tree.

You must also believe the Democrat party doesn't harbor any bigots, or any racists, or anti-intellectuals......or arrogant liars, except for Hillary Clinton ....
You must know that letting 10's of thousands of Mulsims into the country without adequate vetting isn't 'shortsighted".....(its actually madness)
You must also think that having a President that rules like an King with edicts is just fine....
You must also believe our Constitution is slightly flawed and can be ignored in some instances....like whenever it suits your ends.
and of course, there can't possibly be any 'rednecks' in your chosen party....
Your party is just full of illustrious, hard working, employed, law abiding, patriotic, moral and ethical people,,,,no deadwood, loafers, criminals or families on the dole for generations can be Democrats....(yet that is who supports and votes for Democrats)

and you just can't be a narrow minded, shortsighted, fool yourself, can you.....

 

[cawacko]

Agreed. It's also an easy problem to solve. Put the people who hire them in jail and/or give them large fine. Eliminate demand and you eliminate supply.

We both know that's not going to happen though, is it?

I'm not sure if it is like this elsewhere but I'd guess it is. I can go several different Home Depots in the Bay Area and you can find large number of illegals standing around as potential day laborers. The idea of the government rounding up people off the street is a scary one but we all know what's happening when they are standing there.

I've applied for several jobs in the past couple of years and they've all asked if I am a citizen or eligible to work. Not sure how diligent companies are on following up if someone lies on their application however.

 

[Rune]

I'm not sure if it is like this elsewhere but I'd guess it is. I can go several different Home Depots in the Bay Area and you can find large number of illegals standing around as potential day laborers. The idea of the government rounding up people off the street is a scary one but we all know what's happening when they are standing there.

I've applied for several jobs in the past couple of years and they've all asked if I am a citizen or eligible to work. Not sure how diligent companies are on following up if someone lies on their application however.

And you know they are all illegals because?

 

[cawacko]

And you know they are all illegals because?

I don't live in a bubble.


Day Laborer Battle Runs Outside Home Depot

""Not only has this caused friction between the stores and neighboring businesses and homeowners who do not want the men around, but it has also thrust the company into the nationwide debate about what to do about these workers, the majority of them illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America.""


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/10/us/day-laborer-battle-runs-outside-home-depot.html?_r=0