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Universal health care is a boondoggle that will never work, and here is a good explanation as to why....Consider California.

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting piece on the failure of California’s attempt at universal health care and what it means for the rest of the nation. It is interesting to see how many of these plans have failed to pass or ended up being scrapped due to cost overruns. If universal health care was such a great thing and so economically compelling, it’s hard to see why so many states would be having such a hard time making it work. The reason why is simple: universal health care doesn’t actually work in the real world:

Like collapses in Illinois, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, this one crumpled because of the costs, which are always much higher than anticipated. The truth teller was state Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who thought to ask about the price tag of a major new entitlement amid what’s already a $14.5 billion budget shortfall.

An independent analysis confirmed the plan would be far more expensive than proponents admitted. Even under the most favorable assumptions, spending would outpace revenue by $354 million after two years, and likely $3.9 billion or more. “A situation that I thought was bad,” Mr. Perata noted, “in fact was worse.”

This reveals that liberal health-care politics is increasingly the art of the impossible: You can’t make coverage “universal” while at the same time keeping costs in check — at least without prohibitive tax increases. Lowering cost and increasing access, in other words, are separate and irreconcilable issues.

Universal health care has a basic and fatal flaw, you can’t simultaneously reduce the cost of a service and increase access to it. If you have universal access, you have to find a way of paying for people to get that access, which raises costs. If you want to keep costs down you can only economize so far before you have to restrict access. Universal health care is a bit like a perpetual motion machine—it would be wonderful in theory, but it can’t actually exist in reality.

What inevitably ends up happening is that governments cut costs first—which requires them to cut off access. This is how Britain’s NHS and the Canadian system work. You end up either waiting in line or having a government bureaucrat deny your request for treatment. That’s why the healthcare systems in those countries are having such trouble managing costs without drastically cutting back on services—and why both are more and more turning to private agencies to provide services they cannot.

The failure of the California plan isn’t a shock—people support universal health care in theory, but when confronted with the fact that there’s no such thing as “free” health care most people balk at the price. A further sign that the support for universal care is theoretical comes from evidence that most Americans are satisfied with their current health care coverage. When confronted with a plan that forces people to change their coverage—and not necessarily for the better—it’s not surprising that the theoretical support for universal coverage ends up losing to the desire not to lose what people already have.

Universal health care is not the only solution, and already there are better solutions out there. In fact, of all the possible solutions, universal health care is almost certainly the least advantageous. Corporations love it because it passes on the costs to the federal government—turning it into a corporate welfare transfer payment. Bureaucrats love it because it gives them more power, as it would with politicians. However, it’s hard to see where the groundswell of demand for universal health care really is. If there was such a groundswell, a liberal state like California wouldn’t be balking at the price.

The failure of California’s initiative demonstrates why universal health care simply doesn’t work. The laws of economics and human behavior go against it, and those factors can’t be legislated away.

http://jayreding.com/archives/2008/0...keeps-failing/

If we want to talk about the laws of economics and human behavior statistics show every country pays less for health care. At least 1/3 less. And statistics show the citizens in every country with government health care insist on keeping it. Those are the undisputed facts regarding economics and human behavior.
 
deregulation has screwed the people every time the right has talked us into it.



You agree there should be laws.


Now do you agree we as a people have a right to deside on which laws?

Deregulation has not screwed the people. It has led to prosperity which you claim to want. Guess you don't. You want gobblement to control your life and protect you. How childlike of you
 
now please go into some detail to prove that it has improved the lives of the American people.

I will play along for a little while longer but you are trying my patience.

1) created numerous jobs
2) gave the American people access to more diversity of thought

Now this last part is what liberals oppose because they think there should only be one type of thought. Theirs.

Now you are officially dismised
 
It provided liars a cover for their lies without the facts having any recourse.


dismiss any facts you want at a wave of your hand.

It doesnt make you correct it makes you a closed mind.
 
It provided liars a cover for their lies without the facts having any recourse.


dismiss any facts you want at a wave of your hand.

It doesnt make you correct it makes you a closed mind.

I think MSNBC distorts and lies. I think they are a dishonest network. But I would never ever try to prevent them from doing what they do. In fact I actually watch some of it because it is always good to know what the enemy is doing.

Who is the arbiter of the truth? We all look at things through our own prism. Allowing the government to control what you see and hear is scary in the extreme. The only reason you could support that is because you are reasonably assured that they would lean towards those things you agreed with. I am sure that if they mandated for Fairness that for every hour you watch PMSNBC you have to listen to an hour of Rush Limbaugh, you would shot your underoos
 
I think MSNBC distorts and lies. I think they are a dishonest network. But I would never ever try to prevent them from doing what they do. In fact I actually watch some of it because it is always good to know what the enemy is doing.

Who is the arbiter of the truth? We all look at things through our own prism. Allowing the government to control what you see and hear is scary in the extreme. The only reason you could support that is because you are reasonably assured that they would lean towards those things you agreed with. I am sure that if they mandated for Fairness that for every hour you watch PMSNBC you have to listen to an hour of Rush Limbaugh, you would shot your underoos



tell me what you think the fairness doctrine mandated?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine


you seem to be completely ignorant of want it was




The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC decided to eliminate the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.[1]

The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented.[2]

The main agenda for the doctrine was to ensure that viewers were exposed to a diversity of viewpoints. In 1969 the United States Supreme Court upheld the FCC's general right to enforce the Fairness Doctrine where channels were limited. But the courts did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so.[3] The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the Doctrine. However, the proliferation of cable television, multiple channels within cable, public-access channels, and the Internet have eroded this argument, since there are plenty of places for ordinary individuals to make public comments on controversial issues at low or no cost.

The Fairness Doctrine should not be confused with the Equal Time rule. The Fairness Doctrine deals with discussion of controversial issues, while the Equal Time rule deals only with political candidates.
 
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