Obama: If you got a business, you didn't build that!

bravo said:
The government didn't build highways fool.....the citizens did,..with their hard earned money and their hard strong backs
Just like the rail system was.
Government support, in the form of officers from the Army Corps of Engineers - the nation's only repository of civil engineering expertise - assisted private enterprise in building nearly all the country's railroads. Thats STILL us citizens....
The rich businessmen of the those days WERE the government for all intents and purposes, creating laws and commissions to control the business activities with various
regulations......in short...Obamas speech was stupid and showed a naive and shallow understanding of what made this country grow....
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You delusional types never cease to amaze me.


http://history1800s.about.com/od/transportation/a/nationalroad.htm

The National Road was a federal project in early America designed to address a problem which seems quaint today but was quite serious at the time. The young nation possessed enormous tracts of land to the west. And there was simply no easy way for people to get there. The roads heading westward at the time were primitive, and in most cases were Indian trails or old military trails dating to the French and Indian War. When the state of Ohio was admitted to the Union in 1803, it was apparent that something had to be done, as the country actually had a state that was difficult to reach
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Dixie said:
Nope... I am going to wait until November, where my assertions will be confirmed by the American people.

If you want to discuss Obama's comments, we can. If you want to be a myopic jerk, and dissect commentary for the purpose of being obtuse, I'll pass.
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Yea....introduce bullshit that has nothing to do with the topic, and then run w/your tail between your legs.

OK....see ya in November, genius.
 
apple0154 said:
I attended a newly built regional high school. Nice cafeteria. In one corner there was an ice cream freezer and a very pleasant gentleman selling popsicles and fudgesickles, etc. One day the man and freezer were gone and further inquiry led to finding out the "etc" was drugs. That explained the constant smile on the gentleman's face.
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I remember when I arrived at middle school, and discovered the same deal (except the lady wasn't doing drugs). I would buy a delicious chocolate malt from a company called "Dipps" (next year they changed contracts, and it was a less flashy container from a different company). They also sold some terrific cinnamon rolls.
 
Althea said:
Yea....introduce bullshit that has nothing to do with the topic, and then run w/your tail between your legs.

OK....see ya in November, genius.
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No you'll see me everyday here, in your face, telling it like it is. You'll just have to wait until November for assertions to be proven.

And it's pretty pathetic when you've resorted to recycling Dixie lines, because you lack the creativity to come up with your own.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you ever been on one of those 'national roads' during rush hour? yet one more thing that government shouldn't have tried to do, since anything they do gets seriously fucked up.
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Probably because all of those successful business owners are on their way to/from work?

How can success be fucked up?
 
Althea said:
Probably because all of those successful business owners are on their way to/from work?

How can success be fucked up?
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LOL... Yeah, when we see all those pictures of traffic jams during rush hour.. I'm sure that's all the "successful business owners" commuting. LMAO, it is about right though, these ARE the people who pinheads think are "rich" and don't deserve what they have. These days, that could be just about anyone with a job, right?


How can success be fucked up? IF YOU HAVE ANY GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH IT! That's how!
 
Dixie said:
LOL... Yeah, when we see all those pictures of traffic jams during rush hour.. I'm sure that's all the "successful business owners" commuting. LMAO, it is about right though, these ARE the people who pinheads think are "rich" and don't deserve what they have. These days, that could be just about anyone with a job, right?




How can success be fucked up? IF YOU HAVE ANY GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH IT! That's how!
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What would you prefer? Old Indian trails? Idiot.
 
Dixie said:
LOL... Yeah, when we see all those pictures of traffic jams during rush hour.. I'm sure that's all the "successful business owners" commuting. LMAO, it is about right though, these ARE the people who pinheads think are "rich" and don't deserve what they have. These days, that could be just about anyone with a job, right?


How can success be fucked up? IF YOU HAVE ANY GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH IT! That's how!
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If nobody is going to/from work, how will the successful business owners remain successful?

You see, society is reliant on society. Nobody succeeds in a vacuum.

Sadly, the income divide has created a societal divide, where the 1% have forgotten that they need us.
 
If nobody is going to/from work, how will the successful business owners remain successful?
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That's a very good question, and allow me to give you are very good example!

Back in the early 1800s, New York had become a bustling port city, but the thing that kept them from really taking off economically, was the inability to trade to the west and no easy way to get to New Orleans. Some business people got to looking at the map, and realized, what they needed was a canal from the port of NY to Lake Erie, which would give them access to the fur trade to the west, as well as quick passage to New Orleans via the Mississippi River. The Feds laughed at them and said it was an insane proposal, nothing like that had ever been done. Still, the capitalists and business people knew, in order for the nation itself to grow and prosper, and for New York to be a part of that, this had to be done. The coalition of businesses lobbied the NY government for nearly a decade, before Gov. Clinton came along and took up their cause, advocating the $7 million needed to fund the project. The Erie Canal was born in 1825, and was the most monumental feat of Americans at the time. The economic impact was enormous, it eventually caused the somewhat mediocre trade outpost to become the unquestionable world center of trade.

The point is, it came about at the behest of capitalism, capitalist interests, businesses who wanted to make profits. They lobbied the government long and hard, against HUGE AND MASSIVE protest against it. This was called "Clinton's Folly" and "Clinton's Ditch" and was NOT AT ALL popular as it was being constructed. The initiative did not originate with Government, or the people. It originated from capitalist free enterprise, and the desire to make money and have economic prosperity. Business owners, large or small, become and remain successful when government acts at their behest, and enables their spirit to be unleashed.
 
Dixie said:
That's a very good question, and allow me to give you are very good example!

Back in the early 1800s, New York had become a bustling port city, but the thing that kept them from really taking off economically, was the inability to trade to the west and no easy way to get to New Orleans. Some business people got to looking at the map, and realized, what they needed was a canal from the port of NY to Lake Erie, which would give them access to the fur trade to the west, as well as quick passage to New Orleans via the Mississippi River. The Feds laughed at them and said it was an insane proposal, nothing like that had ever been done. Still, the capitalists and business people knew, in order for the nation itself to grow and prosper, and for New York to be a part of that, this had to be done. The coalition of businesses lobbied the NY government for nearly a decade, before Gov. Clinton came along and took up their cause, advocating the $7 million needed to fund the project. The Erie Canal was born in 1825, and was the most monumental feat of Americans at the time. The economic impact was enormous, it eventually caused the somewhat mediocre trade outpost to become the unquestionable world center of trade.

The point is, it came about at the behest of capitalism, capitalist interests, businesses who wanted to make profits. They lobbied the government long and hard, against HUGE AND MASSIVE protest against it. This was called "Clinton's Folly" and "Clinton's Ditch" and was NOT AT ALL popular as it was being constructed. The initiative did not originate with Government, or the people. It originated from capitalist free enterprise, and the desire to make money and have economic prosperity. Business owners, large or small, become and remain successful when government acts at their behest, and enables their spirit to be unleashed.
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As are all the aspirations and efforts of government. You cancel your own argument out. You're an idiot plain and simple and you have no relevant point to make.
 
As are all the aspirations and efforts of government. You cancel your own argument out.
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No, I am sorry... The Erie Canal was not an aspiration of government. It was completely rejected by government. In fact, the FEDERAL government laughed at it and called it stupid. They refused to even entertain the idea of funding such a thing. The state government also refused, and the people didn't care for it, by and large, because it didn't really mean anything to them... or so they believed. It took bout 12 years of fighting and lobbying by capitalist commercial enterprise... those "greedy rich folk" who wanted to make a buck... they eventually swayed a politician to support them, Gov. Clinton, one of NY's greatest. The Erie Canal would have NEVER BEEN BUILT if it had been left up to government.
 
tinfoil said:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Obama continued:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
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he's right..

I don't get why it's so earth shattering...

hell, even the OP's quickie-video isn't wrong.. so I don't get the 'OMG Obama hates America' fervor.. Not a single person in this country did 'it' on their own.. each and every one of them, us, have benefited from the whole.. from someone else's work, someone else's idea, someone else's sweat,blood,tears... it's part of being a country.. but to say so, means you aren't American or you're our of touch? Fuck that. .
 
Dixie said:
In my life, all I can really go by is my personal experiences. All I can say is, I have only known of one person who started with nothing, opened a small business (Mom & Pop) and eventually succeeded. This was a Cuban immigrant who came here with nothing, started a pizza business, and became legendary in the region. That was back in the 1950s, when he did this. Other than Armando, I don't know of anyone who started with nothing.
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That's awesome.. but it misses the point.. why did this person open their business here and not Cuba?

because many-amany someone else's made here better than there.. and he was given his chance to prosper because of them. .. hence the 'no one did it on their own'.. and that goes for everyone in this country..immigrant or native.
 
Dixie said:
No, I am sorry... The Erie Canal was not an aspiration of government. It was completely rejected by government. In fact, the FEDERAL government laughed at it and called it stupid. They refused to even entertain the idea of funding such a thing. The state government also refused, and the people didn't care for it, by and large, because it didn't really mean anything to them... or so they believed. It took bout 12 years of fighting and lobbying by capitalist commercial enterprise... those "greedy rich folk" who wanted to make a buck... they eventually swayed a politician to support them, Gov. Clinton, one of NY's greatest. The Erie Canal would have NEVER BEEN BUILT if it had been left up to government.
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Thanks for making Obama's point.

It doesn't matter where the impetus comes from...it matters where the FUNDING comes from. Capitalists still want to reap the rewards today, as long as they don't have to take the risk.

That's how nuclear power plants are built, satellites are put into space, etc..

If creating the means to transport goods/svcs. was such a good idea then...at taxpayer expense...then why isn't maintaining them a good idea now?

I keep saying it, and you boneheads on the right keep ignoring it...now that the means to make a profit are in place, you all want the govt. to step out of the way.

It doesn't work that way.

And thanks for further disproving Bravo's lie about who built the roads.
 
Althea said:
Thanks for making Obama's point.

It doesn't matter where the impetus comes from...it matters where the FUNDING comes from. Capitalists still want to reap the rewards today, as long as they don't have to take the risk.

That's how nuclear power plants are built, satellites are put into space, etc..

If creating the means to transport goods/svcs. was such a good idea then...at taxpayer expense...then why isn't maintaining them a good idea now?

I keep saying it, and you boneheads on the right keep ignoring it...now that the means to make a profit are in place, you all want the govt. to step out of the way.

It doesn't work that way.

And thanks for further disproving Bravo's lie about who built the roads.
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You act like the only thing the gobblement spends money on is roads and transportation. That is disingenuous at best.

In the interest if compromise I will give you federal gobblement spending on transportation if you give up gobblement spending on everything else. Deal?

The gobblement should not be subsidizing any business I don't care how beneficial you think it might be. I it is beneficial and a profit can be made then private capital will flock to it.

If it isn't profitable it shouldnt be done. Plain and simple
 
So, the argument is that because there are roads people succeed. What about all the other companies that didn't succeed and were on the same roads? Did those people just not use the road right? They drank the same water provided by the same beneficent government providing water for them to succeed, did they put it in the wrong glass?

When the successful businessman took out a loan, sometimes at very high interest, to start their business was it the government that took the risk for them? When they put a mortgage on their house to pay the payroll in the first few months, should they thank government for the water?

Did these people pay taxes to help build the roads, to create the infrastructure, or did they appear out of vacuum to start a business that government made happen because they provided roads?

How often have you ever heard a successful businessperson thanking government for their success because the roads they helped to build were there for them to use?

When Solyndra folded, after getting some of the 20% of the "stimulus" earmarked for Green Energy that actually was spent in the US, did they fold because the government didn't build good enough roads for them? Provide good enough police? The golden parachutes for their CEO was payed by the taxpayer that build the roads... but they didn't succeed because those same people that "made it happen" for the others weren't working hard enough? They just didn't know how to use the water?
 
Damocles said:
So, the argument is that because there are roads people succeed. What about all the other companies that didn't succeed and were on the same roads? Did those people just not use the road right? They drank the same water provided by the same beneficent government providing water for them to succeed, did they put it in the wrong glass?

When the successful businessman took out a loan, sometimes at very high interest, to start their business was it the government that took the risk for them? When they put a mortgage on their house to pay the payroll in the first few months, should they thank government for the water?

Did these people pay taxes to help build the roads, to create the infrastructure, or did they appear out of vacuum to start a business that government made happen because they provided roads?

How often have you ever heard a successful businessperson thanking government for their success because the roads they helped to build were there for them to use?

When Solyndra folded, after getting some of the 20% of the "stimulus" earmarked for Green Energy that actually was spent in the US, did they fold because the government didn't build good enough roads for them? Provide good enough police? The golden parachutes for their CEO was payed by the taxpayer that build the roads... but they didn't succeed because those same people that "made it happen" for the others weren't working hard enough? They just didn't know how to use the water?
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Alternatively, you could just acknowledge that you mischaracterized what Obama said and move on. Always an option, you know. As opposed to continued dishonesty.
 
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