"Obama has made us the laughingstock of the world!"

blackvegetable said:
Who is playing word games?

I asked Gazza to show me her math......you decided to contribute your 2 cents.....and here we are, an hour or so later and I have yet to see any math from either of you idiots...

You have, however, rebleated what you've been told to think....repeatedly....

Post your numbers with sources and we can go through the math together....

Now explain why you yammer about January 1, 2009.....
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So if the discussion is on how much national debt accumulated during ones presidency it seems logical to use the time they were in office as the measuring stick. You seem to disagree. What would be the parameters you would prefer to use?
 
cawacko said:
So if the discussion is on how much national debt accumulated during ones presidency it seems logical to use the time they were in office as the measuring stick. You seem to disagree. What would be the parameters you would prefer to use?
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To begin with, Obama WASN'T in office on Jan 1, 2009.....

Further, the incoming president must wait until Oct 1 before his first budget becomes effective.

These are fiscal basics......I dread having to explain Structural Deficit to you.....
 
cawacko said:
So if the discussion is on how much national debt accumulated during ones presidency it seems logical to use the time they were in office as the measuring stick. You seem to disagree. What would be the parameters you would prefer to use?
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how much national debt accumulated during ones presidency


and here's another problem.....that is NOT the assertion.....the claim is that this is a consequence of Obama's fiscal policies....

and that claim is risible....
 
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-...onal-committee


GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down'
October 25, 1986|From the Washington Post



NEWARK, N.J. — A Republican National Committee official calculated that a so-called ballot security program in Louisiana "could keep the black vote down considerably," according to documents released in federal court Friday.
The documents and court hearing were the latest developments in a controversy over the GOP's ballot program that Democrats maintain is aimed at reducing minority turnout. The Republicans say the program's sole purpose is to purge ineligible voters from voting roles.
In an Aug. 13 memo the court made public Friday, Kris Wolfe, the Republican National Committee Midwest political director, wrote Lanny Griffith, the committee's Southern political director, and said of the Louisiana campaigning:
"I know this race is really important to you. I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60-80,000 folks from the rolls. . . . If it's a close race . . . which I'm assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably."


Unseals Document
She said in the memorandum that the program had been approved by Gregory Graves, deputy political director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
The document, called Exhibit 13, was unsealed by U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise when lawyers for the Democratic National Committee said it was needed to question Wolfe.
Wolfe testified that she wrote about the possibility of keeping the black vote down to remind Griffith that there "might be a political situation he might want to consider. . . . I wanted him to be aware of the political considerations."
The Democrats are suing the Republican Party for $10 million, charging that the Republican National Committee ballot security programs--a method of assuring that voters reside at their listed addresses--violated a 1981 consent agreement signed by both parties.
Under the agreement, the Republican committee would "refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial composition of such districts is a factor."
Debevoise refused to issue a restraining order requiring the GOP to stop all similar activity.
Accepts Lawyers' Word
The judge said he accepted the word of Republican lawyers who told him all ballot security programs have been stopped, including an effort the Democrats say singled out predominantly black and Latino precincts in Pontiac, Mich.
In testimony Friday, Mark Braden, the Republican National Committee's chief counsel and the organizer of the ballot security program, said he repeatedly sought to make it clear to subordinates that "race was a factor that could not be used. I would instill the fear of God in them. . . . I'm not an idiot, this is a big press issue, and it's a big legal issue."
The committee's ballot security program was conducted in Louisiana, Indiana and Missouri. Before it became controversial, GOP political strategists said they planned to use it in other states.
'Insidious Scheme'
Louisiana state District Court Judge Richard E. Lee issued an injunction against the program on Oct. 14. In his order, Lee said: "This was an insidious scheme by the Republican Party to remove blacks from the voting roles."



YOUR FUCKS WERE ALREADY UNDER A COURT ORDER FOR CHEATING IN THE LAST ELECTION WHEN YOUR EVIL FUCKS DID THIS







these fuckers lie and cheat about EVERYTHING
 
blackvegetable said:
To begin with, Obama WASN'T in office on Jan 1, 2009.....

Further, the incoming president must wait until Oct 1 until his first budget becomes effective.

These are fiscal basics......I dread having to explain Structural Deficit to you.....
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There's a reason historians wait years and decades before truly judging Presidents because we need that much time to fully see how policies they put in place and actions they took play out.

The reality though is we in the present judge Presidents by what happened when they were in office. So that's from their first day until their last.

So share with us the portion of the $10 trillion in debt increase that occurred while obama was president his administration is responsible for
 
cawacko said:
There's a reason historians wait years and decades before truly judging Presidents because we need that much time to fully see how policies they put in place and actions they took play out.

The reality though is we in the present judge Presidents by what happened when they were in office. So that's from their first day until their last.

So share with us the portion of the $10 trillion in debt increase that occurred while obama was president his administration is responsible for
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your fucks destroyed the world wide economy asshole


NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET IT


even your little girl will learn about it


then she will know you are a fucking liar trying to destroy her life
 
GazzaQueen said:
You hop and skip and lose elections. Somebody put a wallet in this guy's mouth before he swallows his tongue.
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http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-...onal-committee


GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down'
October 25, 1986|From the Washington Post



NEWARK, N.J. — A Republican National Committee official calculated that a so-called ballot security program in Louisiana "could keep the black vote down considerably," according to documents released in federal court Friday.
The documents and court hearing were the latest developments in a controversy over the GOP's ballot program that Democrats maintain is aimed at reducing minority turnout. The Republicans say the program's sole purpose is to purge ineligible voters from voting roles.
In an Aug. 13 memo the court made public Friday, Kris Wolfe, the Republican National Committee Midwest political director, wrote Lanny Griffith, the committee's Southern political director, and said of the Louisiana campaigning:
"I know this race is really important to you. I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60-80,000 folks from the rolls. . . . If it's a close race . . . which I'm assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably."


Unseals Document
She said in the memorandum that the program had been approved by Gregory Graves, deputy political director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
The document, called Exhibit 13, was unsealed by U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise when lawyers for the Democratic National Committee said it was needed to question Wolfe.
Wolfe testified that she wrote about the possibility of keeping the black vote down to remind Griffith that there "might be a political situation he might want to consider. . . . I wanted him to be aware of the political considerations."
The Democrats are suing the Republican Party for $10 million, charging that the Republican National Committee ballot security programs--a method of assuring that voters reside at their listed addresses--violated a 1981 consent agreement signed by both parties.
Under the agreement, the Republican committee would "refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial composition of such districts is a factor."
Debevoise refused to issue a restraining order requiring the GOP to stop all similar activity.
Accepts Lawyers' Word
The judge said he accepted the word of Republican lawyers who told him all ballot security programs have been stopped, including an effort the Democrats say singled out predominantly black and Latino precincts in Pontiac, Mich.
In testimony Friday, Mark Braden, the Republican National Committee's chief counsel and the organizer of the ballot security program, said he repeatedly sought to make it clear to subordinates that "race was a factor that could not be used. I would instill the fear of God in them. . . . I'm not an idiot, this is a big press issue, and it's a big legal issue."
The committee's ballot security program was conducted in Louisiana, Indiana and Missouri. Before it became controversial, GOP political strategists said they planned to use it in other states.
'Insidious Scheme'
Louisiana state District Court Judge Richard E. Lee issued an injunction against the program on Oct. 14. In his order, Lee said: "This was an insidious scheme by the Republican Party to remove blacks from the voting roles."



YOUR FUCKS WERE ALREADY UNDER A COURT ORDER FOR CHEATING IN THE LAST ELECTION WHEN YOUR EVIL FUCKS DID THIS
 
evince said:
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-...onal-committee


GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down'
October 25, 1986|From the Washington Post



NEWARK, N.J. — A Republican National Committee official calculated that a so-called ballot security program in Louisiana "could keep the black vote down considerably," according to documents released in federal court Friday.
The documents and court hearing were the latest developments in a controversy over the GOP's ballot program that Democrats maintain is aimed at reducing minority turnout. The Republicans say the program's sole purpose is to purge ineligible voters from voting roles.
In an Aug. 13 memo the court made public Friday, Kris Wolfe, the Republican National Committee Midwest political director, wrote Lanny Griffith, the committee's Southern political director, and said of the Louisiana campaigning:
"I know this race is really important to you. I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60-80,000 folks from the rolls. . . . If it's a close race . . . which I'm assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably."


Unseals Document
She said in the memorandum that the program had been approved by Gregory Graves, deputy political director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
The document, called Exhibit 13, was unsealed by U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise when lawyers for the Democratic National Committee said it was needed to question Wolfe.
Wolfe testified that she wrote about the possibility of keeping the black vote down to remind Griffith that there "might be a political situation he might want to consider. . . . I wanted him to be aware of the political considerations."
The Democrats are suing the Republican Party for $10 million, charging that the Republican National Committee ballot security programs--a method of assuring that voters reside at their listed addresses--violated a 1981 consent agreement signed by both parties.
Under the agreement, the Republican committee would "refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial composition of such districts is a factor."
Debevoise refused to issue a restraining order requiring the GOP to stop all similar activity.
Accepts Lawyers' Word
The judge said he accepted the word of Republican lawyers who told him all ballot security programs have been stopped, including an effort the Democrats say singled out predominantly black and Latino precincts in Pontiac, Mich.
In testimony Friday, Mark Braden, the Republican National Committee's chief counsel and the organizer of the ballot security program, said he repeatedly sought to make it clear to subordinates that "race was a factor that could not be used. I would instill the fear of God in them. . . . I'm not an idiot, this is a big press issue, and it's a big legal issue."
The committee's ballot security program was conducted in Louisiana, Indiana and Missouri. Before it became controversial, GOP political strategists said they planned to use it in other states.
'Insidious Scheme'
Louisiana state District Court Judge Richard E. Lee issued an injunction against the program on Oct. 14. In his order, Lee said: "This was an insidious scheme by the Republican Party to remove blacks from the voting roles."



YOUR FUCKS WERE ALREADY UNDER A COURT ORDER FOR CHEATING IN THE LAST ELECTION WHEN YOUR EVIL FUCKS DID THIS
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Finally the voice of reason.

How much will The Imperial Don have to raise the national debt in order to match his predecessor?
 
cawacko said:
There's a reason historians wait years and decades before truly judging Presidents because we need that much time to fully see how policies they put in place and actions they took play out.

The reality though is we in the present judge Presidents by what happened when they were in office. So that's from their first day until their last.

So share with us the portion of the $10 trillion in debt increase that occurred while obama was president his administration is responsible for
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The numbers come out much faster.....and fiscal math is not all that difficult......it does, however, require a grasp of the fundamentals....

We SHOULD judge Presidents on the consequences of the discretion they enjoy to effect outcomes.

The "Obama Doubled the Debt" is nothing but Slackjaw Clickbait. You will have to look deep inside whatever passes for your mind to determine why you are so susceptible.....

But I don't shuffle and hide. so I will address your question.

Every January, the CBO issues a report offering fiscal projections. In January 2001, its report suggested that the US would enjoy a decade of cumulative surpluses in the range of 5 trillion dollars - sufficient to eliminate the Debt Held by the Public.

In January 2009, CBO was anticipating the very opposite....and that was BEFORE it fully appreciated the Wages of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux.


That's a 10 trillion dollar swing.......add the 5 trillion of debt accumulated during Scrub's Reign of Error, and we can attribute at least 15 trillion of the current debt to the consequences of handing the WH to a candidate who got smoked in the popular vote.

We can also look more broadly at rates of growth in spending and revenues........but, trust me on this, you REALLY don't want to go there.....
 
blackvegetable said:
The context was the Debt, Tranny....try to focus.....

Another phantom Hot Flash?
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Obama did not lose his legacy because he doubled the debt because he didn't double the debt because the CBO's report was optimistic and besides Hillary won the popular vote.

And we haven't even got to the Macedonians yet.
 
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