Obama feels he doesn't get enough credit for economic recovery

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Andrew Ross Sorkin did a big interview with Obama on the economy coming out this weekend in the NY Times Magazine I believe it is. The biggest question I have is if this recovery has been so good why are interest rates remaining so low? During a robust recovery the Fed isn't afraid to raise rates like they are today.




The Opposite of Reagan

Obama says he can’t communicate his successes.



“Eight years after the financial crisis, unemployment is at 5 percent, deficits are down and G.D.P. is growing,” declares the subheadline of an Andrew Ross Sorkin story in the forthcoming New York Times magazine. “Why do so many voters feel left behind? The president has a theory.”

We have a theory, too. The favorable unemployment figure doesn’t tell the full story. Sorkin:

As Obama also acknowledged, the public anger about the economy is not without empirical basis. A large swath of the nation has dropped out of the labor force completely, and the reality for the average American family is that its household income is $4,000 less than it was when Bill Clinton left office.

When an unemployed person drops out of the labor force—i.e., stops looking for a job—he no longer counts as “unemployed,” even though he is not employed.

As for the deficit, to say that it is down considerably since Obama took office is true but misleading, as the left-leaning site PolitiFact noted last year. The fiscal 2009 deficit—George W. Bush’s last—was a staggering $1.4 trillion; by 2014 it had declined to $485 billion. But the 2009 deficit was unusually high owing to the bank bailout after the 2008 financial crisis. The deficit for each year from 2010 through 2014 was also higher than in any of the other Bush years, 2002 through 2008. And the national debt—the cumulation of all those deficits—has nearly doubled during Obama’s presidency.

And although gross domestic product is growing, it is doing so very slowly. “First-quarter U.S. gross domestic product hit the Tape this morning, and it was pretty poor,” The Wall Street Journal reports. “The economy grew at a 0.5% annualized rate, below just about everybody’s already weak expectations and the worst ‘print’ in two years.”

What’s Obama’s theory? It’s not a new one. Things have been going well, he insists; he’s just done a lousy job of explaining how well:

Obama . . . was unable or unwilling to rhetorically underscore the severity of the crisis as it unfolded, so perhaps what should have been seen as successes were seen as failures. “It was a delicate balance throughout 2009 and 2010 to be straight with the American people about the depths of the problem, how close we were to disaster, without scaring the heck out of them,” Obama said.

Making matters worse, Obama faced political opposition, as is normal for a national leader in a two-party democratic republic:

“How people feel about the economy,” Obama told me, giving one part of his own theory, is influenced by “what they hear.” He went on: “And if you have a political party—in this case, the Republicans—that denies any progress and is constantly channeling to their base, which is sizable, say, 40 percent of the population, that things are terrible all the time, then people will start absorbing that.”

The president also tells Sorkin: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that if we had been able to more effectively communicate all the steps we had taken to the swing voter, then we might have maintained a majority in the House or the Senate.”

There are a couple of problems with this part of the theory. For one, it’s not just Republicans who’ve criticized the Obama economy:

“Millions and millions and millions and millions of people look at that pretty picture of America he painted and they cannot find themselves in it to save their lives,” [Bill] Clinton himself said of Obama’s economy in March, while on the campaign trail for his wife. “People are upset, frankly; they’re anxiety-ridden, they’re disoriented, because they don’t see themselves in that picture.”

For another, the president’s claim that the Democrats’ losses in Congress were the result of failure to communicate leaves out a crucial part of the story. The president and his Democratic allies in Congress spent much of 2009 and 2010 promoting and bullying through a “health-care reform” bill, the public opposition to which was a key factor if not the key factor in the Democrats’ loss of the House in 2010.

The piece does eventually get around to ObamaCare, about which Sorkin observes: “Americans do not yet seem to be feeling the benefits of the new program, in part because the benefits remain uncertain.” That’s quite an understatement.

Sorkin himself undercuts Obama’s theory by observing: “Whether a president can truly improve, or damage, an economy remains an open question.” The interview took place during a February visit to a federally subsidized battery factory in Jacksonville, Fla., which occasioned these observations from the interviewer:

In a way, . . . the plant was inadvertently telling a more complicated story, about globalization and the changing nature of commerce. Saft America is a unit of Saft Groupe, a French company with holdings around the world. Sales of lithium-ion batteries have been considerably slower than anticipated, and the factory has yet to turn a profit. The French parent doesn’t expect profitability for another two or three years and has already written down part of its investment on the factory. . . .

When the president’s motorcade left Saft to head back to Air Force One, I noticed something unusual: The plant’s parking lot was extremely small. It dawned on me that Obama’s tour of the factory, filled with photo ops and handshakes, had included very little interaction with workers. Instead, he was shown machine after machine, mostly operated by computers. . . . This giant mecca of innovation, a physical marvel that if built several decades ago would have easily employed a few thousand people, employs only 300. . . .

Obama noted the robots, too. “We just saw here those robots were pretty impressive, but also pointed to the direction the economy is going,” he said.

Such innovations are a mixed blessing, for which one can hardly blame (or credit) the president. But to say the president can’t do very much is different from saying, as Obama does, that he has done great things but has been denied credit because of his inferior communication skills.

The article concludes with Obama restating his theory and disparaging Ronald Reagan:

“If we can’t puncture some of the mythology around austerity, politics or tax cuts or the mythology that’s been built up around the Reagan revolution, where somehow people genuinely think that he slashed government and slashed the deficit and that the recovery was because of all these massive tax cuts, as opposed to a shift in interest-rate policy—if we can’t describe that effectively, then we’re doomed to keep on making more and more mistakes.”

Reagan was known as the “Great Communicator,” which, while not inaccurate, was something of a backhanded compliment. The implication was that while he was an effective salesman, his policies were no good—or at least that was the implication intended by those who, like Obama, opposed Reagan’s policies on ideological grounds.

Obama, then, is the anti-Reagan: His approach to policy is roughly the opposite, and when the public does not respond with enthusiasm, he must be the Rotten Communicator. The actual economic results don’t figure into the theory.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-opposite-of-reagan-1461864417
 
if you cant describe why one's policies were good, its just possible they were not.
BO needs to face the fact that people dont need to told what they see every day of their lives.
never had a stretch of sub 3% growth like he's had ever.
BOs legacy is god aweful and no interview is going to change that.
 
Andrew Ross Sorkin did a big interview with Obama on the economy coming out this weekend in the NY Times Magazine I believe it is. The biggest question I have is if this recovery has been so good why are interest rates remaining so low? During a robust recovery the Fed isn't afraid to raise rates like they are today.




The Opposite of Reagan

Obama says he can’t communicate his successes.



“Eight years after the financial crisis, unemployment is at 5 percent, deficits are down and G.D.P. is growing,” declares the subheadline of an Andrew Ross Sorkin story in the forthcoming New York Times magazine. “Why do so many voters feel left behind? The president has a theory.”

We have a theory, too. The favorable unemployment figure doesn’t tell the full story. Sorkin:

As Obama also acknowledged, the public anger about the economy is not without empirical basis. A large swath of the nation has dropped out of the labor force completely, and the reality for the average American family is that its household income is $4,000 less than it was when Bill Clinton left office.

When an unemployed person drops out of the labor force—i.e., stops looking for a job—he no longer counts as “unemployed,” even though he is not employed.

As for the deficit, to say that it is down considerably since Obama took office is true but misleading, as the left-leaning site PolitiFact noted last year. The fiscal 2009 deficit—George W. Bush’s last—was a staggering $1.4 trillion; by 2014 it had declined to $485 billion. But the 2009 deficit was unusually high owing to the bank bailout after the 2008 financial crisis. The deficit for each year from 2010 through 2014 was also higher than in any of the other Bush years, 2002 through 2008. And the national debt—the cumulation of all those deficits—has nearly doubled during Obama’s presidency.

And although gross domestic product is growing, it is doing so very slowly. “First-quarter U.S. gross domestic product hit the Tape this morning, and it was pretty poor,” The Wall Street Journal reports. “The economy grew at a 0.5% annualized rate, below just about everybody’s already weak expectations and the worst ‘print’ in two years.”

What’s Obama’s theory? It’s not a new one. Things have been going well, he insists; he’s just done a lousy job of explaining how well:

Obama . . . was unable or unwilling to rhetorically underscore the severity of the crisis as it unfolded, so perhaps what should have been seen as successes were seen as failures. “It was a delicate balance throughout 2009 and 2010 to be straight with the American people about the depths of the problem, how close we were to disaster, without scaring the heck out of them,” Obama said.

Making matters worse, Obama faced political opposition, as is normal for a national leader in a two-party democratic republic:

“How people feel about the economy,” Obama told me, giving one part of his own theory, is influenced by “what they hear.” He went on: “And if you have a political party—in this case, the Republicans—that denies any progress and is constantly channeling to their base, which is sizable, say, 40 percent of the population, that things are terrible all the time, then people will start absorbing that.”

The president also tells Sorkin: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that if we had been able to more effectively communicate all the steps we had taken to the swing voter, then we might have maintained a majority in the House or the Senate.”

There are a couple of problems with this part of the theory. For one, it’s not just Republicans who’ve criticized the Obama economy:

“Millions and millions and millions and millions of people look at that pretty picture of America he painted and they cannot find themselves in it to save their lives,” [Bill] Clinton himself said of Obama’s economy in March, while on the campaign trail for his wife. “People are upset, frankly; they’re anxiety-ridden, they’re disoriented, because they don’t see themselves in that picture.”

For another, the president’s claim that the Democrats’ losses in Congress were the result of failure to communicate leaves out a crucial part of the story. The president and his Democratic allies in Congress spent much of 2009 and 2010 promoting and bullying through a “health-care reform” bill, the public opposition to which was a key factor if not the key factor in the Democrats’ loss of the House in 2010.

The piece does eventually get around to ObamaCare, about which Sorkin observes: “Americans do not yet seem to be feeling the benefits of the new program, in part because the benefits remain uncertain.” That’s quite an understatement.

Sorkin himself undercuts Obama’s theory by observing: “Whether a president can truly improve, or damage, an economy remains an open question.” The interview took place during a February visit to a federally subsidized battery factory in Jacksonville, Fla., which occasioned these observations from the interviewer:

In a way, . . . the plant was inadvertently telling a more complicated story, about globalization and the changing nature of commerce. Saft America is a unit of Saft Groupe, a French company with holdings around the world. Sales of lithium-ion batteries have been considerably slower than anticipated, and the factory has yet to turn a profit. The French parent doesn’t expect profitability for another two or three years and has already written down part of its investment on the factory. . . .

When the president’s motorcade left Saft to head back to Air Force One, I noticed something unusual: The plant’s parking lot was extremely small. It dawned on me that Obama’s tour of the factory, filled with photo ops and handshakes, had included very little interaction with workers. Instead, he was shown machine after machine, mostly operated by computers. . . . This giant mecca of innovation, a physical marvel that if built several decades ago would have easily employed a few thousand people, employs only 300. . . .

Obama noted the robots, too. “We just saw here those robots were pretty impressive, but also pointed to the direction the economy is going,” he said.

Such innovations are a mixed blessing, for which one can hardly blame (or credit) the president. But to say the president can’t do very much is different from saying, as Obama does, that he has done great things but has been denied credit because of his inferior communication skills.

The article concludes with Obama restating his theory and disparaging Ronald Reagan:

“If we can’t puncture some of the mythology around austerity, politics or tax cuts or the mythology that’s been built up around the Reagan revolution, where somehow people genuinely think that he slashed government and slashed the deficit and that the recovery was because of all these massive tax cuts, as opposed to a shift in interest-rate policy—if we can’t describe that effectively, then we’re doomed to keep on making more and more mistakes.”

Reagan was known as the “Great Communicator,” which, while not inaccurate, was something of a backhanded compliment. The implication was that while he was an effective salesman, his policies were no good—or at least that was the implication intended by those who, like Obama, opposed Reagan’s policies on ideological grounds.

Obama, then, is the anti-Reagan: His approach to policy is roughly the opposite, and when the public does not respond with enthusiasm, he must be the Rotten Communicator. The actual economic results don’t figure into the theory.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-opposite-of-reagan-1461864417

Those democrats are just such poor communicators.
 
if you cant describe why one's policies were good, its just possible they were not.
BO needs to face the fact that people dont need to told what they see every day of their lives.
never had a stretch of sub 3% growth like he's had ever.
BOs legacy is god aweful and no interview is going to change that.

He's going to get credit for the economy being better today than it was when he took office (yes, that is a very low bar). And thanks to the Fed's help with continued QE the markets have roared back so serious gains have been made at the top.

But yeah, what's he going to claim "we put a lot more regulations on the economy and that's why things are better today"? He doesn't have a story to tell.
 
He's going to get credit for the economy being better today than it was when he took office (yes, that is a very low bar). And thanks to the Fed's help with continued QE the markets have roared back so serious gains have been made at the top.

But yeah, what's he going to claim "we put a lot more regulations on the economy and that's why things are better today"? He doesn't have a story to tell.

Well apparently there are a whole lotta jobs he saved so...................
 
One last statistic, from Sentier Research. Median annual household income in the US reached $57,263 this past March, which was 4.5% higher than in March 2015.

But — and here’s where the anger comes in — this March’s figure is still slightly below the $57,342 median annual income in January 2000.

January 2000!

Americans haven’t gotten a raise in more than 16 years.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/30/americans-havent-gotten-a-raise-in-16-years/

That pretty much sums up Obama's pathetic policies.
 
Has Obama been the economic catastrophe that Bush and his free market fanatics were? No, of course not. Did he implement tried and true Keynesian policies that saved our economy and probably the worlds economy from an even worse catastrophic collapse? Yes he did but most sentient human beings would have done that.

Did Obama drop the ball on prosecuting those on Wall Street responsible for the fraud that precipitated the collapse? Yes he did. Did Obama implement any substantive regulatory or enforcement changes that changed the reckless manner in which Wall street and investment banks take risks with other peoples money? No, he did not. Did Obama do any thing to change the culture of greed in Wall Street that incentivizes this behavior? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to eliminate the risk of "to big to fail" banking and insurance institutions? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to help the victims of those responsible for the Bush economic catastrophe? No, the people who lost their homes and jobs and most especially the tax payers got screwed and virtually all the subsequent economic recovery and prosperity since the collapse has gone almost exclusively to those who caused the collapse in the first place and not its victims.

My suggestion to Barry would be to not toot your own horn. A vast number of people got fucked over during the credit default swap crises but it wasn't the people who caused the problem. Barry has done very little to make sure those people who responsible for the 2008 economic catastrophe were brought to justice and he's done very little to prevent it from happening again.
 
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Has Obama been the economic catastrophe that Bush and his free market fanatics were? No, of course not. Did he implement tried and true Keynesian policies that saved our economy and probably the worlds economy from an even worse catastrophic collapse? Yes he did but most sentient human beings would have done that.

Did Obama drop the ball on prosecuting those on Wall Street responsible for the fraud that precipitated the collapse? Yes he did. Did Obama implement any substantive regulatory or enforcement changes that changed the reckless manner in which Wall street and investment banks take risks with other peoples money? No, he did not. Did Obama do any thing to change the culture of greed in Wall Street that incentivizes this behavior? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to eliminate the risk of "to big to fail" banking and insurance institutions? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to help the victims of those responsible for the Bush economic catastrophe? No, the people who lost their homes and jobs and most especially the tax payers got screwed and virtually all the subsequent economic recovery and prosperity since the collapse has gone almost exclusively to those who caused the collapse in the first place and not its victims.

My suggestion to Barry would be to not toot your own horn. A vast number of people got fucked over during the credit default swap crises but it wasn't the people who caused the problem. Barry has done very little to make sure those people who responsible for the 2008 economic catastrophe were brought to justice and he's done very little to prevent it from happening again.

I don't see how we can have an economic discussion while leaving out the Fed. The housing bubble was a part the Fed's doing with their easy money policies. Greenspan was on record saying there wasn't a housing bubble and then later if there was that it was small and would have a minimal effect on the economy. The Fed and its people are made up of dozens and dozens of PhD's and supposedly the brightest people in our country and they had no clue what was going on.

Was Bush anymore free market than Bill Clinton? Clinton signed two huge deregulation bills into law. Bush signed the very non free market Sarbenes-Oxley act.

Look at the the Fed is still doing today with its years of zero interest rates and subsequent asset bubble. We're six years into this recovery and they still can't raise rates? The Fed's balance sheet is swollen right now. Is there going to be no reconing for what they've done?
 
Has Obama been the economic catastrophe that Bush and his free market fanatics were? No, of course not. Did he implement tried and true Keynesian policies that saved our economy and probably the worlds economy from an even worse catastrophic collapse? Yes he did but most sentient human beings would have done that.

Did Obama drop the ball on prosecuting those on Wall Street responsible for the fraud that precipitated the collapse? Yes he did. Did Obama implement any substantive regulatory or enforcement changes that changed the reckless manner in which Wall street and investment banks take risks with other peoples money? No, he did not. Did Obama do any thing to change the culture of greed in Wall Street that incentivizes this behavior? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to eliminate the risk of "to big to fail" banking and insurance institutions? No, he did not. Has Obama done anything to help the victims of those responsible for the Bush economic catastrophe? No, the people who lost their homes and jobs and most especially the tax payers got screwed and virtually all the subsequent economic recovery and prosperity since the collapse has gone almost exclusively to those who caused the collapse in the first place and not its victims.

My suggestion to Barry would be to not toot your own horn. A vast number of people got fucked over during the credit default swap crises but it wasn't the people who caused the problem. Barry has done very little to make sure those people who responsible for the 2008 economic catastrophe were brought to justice and he's done very little to prevent it from happening again.


Have you just, like you always do, puckered up to his ass again? Yes, you did. You really must have a big jar of vaseline as many times as you pucker up to Obama.
 
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