Obama beats Tea Party to spending cuts

WinterBorn said:
The military retirees passed up civilian opportunities that would have paid them much better. They gave up most of the simple freedoms we take for granted. They did it for any number of reasons. But they were promised a set retirement in exchange for their 20+ investment. Having retirement be screwed up because it was invested in stocks or whatever is one thing. To just have it snatched away because senators don't want to disappoint their cash-cow defense contractor is unacceptable.
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Please, name these "senators don't want to disappoint their cash-cow defense contractor".
 
Mojo said:
Please, name these "senators don't want to disappoint their cash-cow defense contractor".
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Funny that you ask lots of questions, and expect answers. But you never seem to answer any yourself.
 
bravo said:
Increases in the fees paid by for retired, working-age veterans for their health insurance....increases in fees for the military’s health-care system, called Tricare

Reductions of up to 47,000 troops from the Army and Marine Corps forces
while
adding about 1,400 Marines in coming months to the forces fighting in Afghanistan (while unemployment is rampant)

Cancellations of weapons systems(puts jobs at risk)

Delaying purchases of the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin (puts jobs at risk)

But

Not a word about maybe reducing the pay of House and Senate legislators
Not a word about reducing pension benefits of House and Senate legislators
Not a word about reducing perks of House and Senate legislators, like government supplied cars and car insurance, meals, housing per diem, etc..
Not a word about legislators paying for part of their health benefits like the rest of us...
Not a word about at least freezing the pay of already over-paid government workers
Not a word about stopping benefits to illegals
Not a word about stopping welfare to corps.

The list is endless....
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Since you admire these "good points", can you explain how the SecDef is responsible for "reducing the pay of House and Senate legislators", reducing pension benefits of House and Senate legislators", "reducing perks of House and Senate legislators, like government supplied cars and car insurance, meals, housing per diem, etc.", "stopping benefits to illegals", and "stopping welfare to corps"?

Seems like the "good points" guy forgot, or doesn't know, that the President already recommended "at least freezing the pay" of government workers.

..."President Barack Obama proposed a two-year freeze on Monday on the pay of federal workers..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AS3AY20101129
 
WinterBorn said:
lol

Plenty crosses my mind. And I express what I think, without hiding behind innuendo. Its all about open communication. Its easy enough.
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Not that I expect an answer...do you feel like openly communicating which "senators don't want to disappoint their cash-cow defense contractor"?

Feel free to express what you think.
 
Mojo said:
Not that I expect an answer...do you feel like openly communicating which "senators don't want to disappoint their cash-cow defense contractor"?

Feel free to express what you think.
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I have expressed my opinions continuously.

I have also expressed a desire to have a two-way conversation that requires you to give as much as you get.
 
WinterBorn said:
I have expressed my opinions continuously.

I have also expressed a desire to have a two-way conversation that requires you to give as much as you get.
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So you feel slighted because I prefer not to indulge in unsubstantiated speculation by making baseless statements?

Got it.
 
Mojo said:
So you feel slighted because I prefer not to indulge in unsubstantiated speculation by making baseless statements?

Got it.
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No, I don't feel slighted in the least.

I am not asking you to make unsubstantiated or baseless statements.

All I have asked is that you asnwer a couple of questions. Why is that beyond your capabilities?
 
WinterBorn said:
No, I don't feel slighted in the least.

I am not asking you to make unsubstantiated or baseless statements.

All I have asked is that you asnwer a couple of questions. Why is that beyond your capabilities?
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If you beleive it's "beyond my capabilities", why do you keep asking me to do it?

Is that logical?
 
Mojo said:
If you beleive it's "beyond my capabilities", why do you keep asking me to do it?

Is that logical?
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Did I say it was logical?

What is logical about continuing to question people about their opinions, and yet express none of your own, and even hide your opinions?
 
WinterBorn said:
Cutting the military's budget makes sense. But there are far better places to make those cuts. Cutting retiree benefits should not be on the table at all.
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agreed. There is a ton of waste in the DoD... take it out of the admin side, the weapons development side.... don't take it out of retirees who served this country.
 
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