Obama authorizes assasination of U.S. citizen

WinterBorn said:
If he were killed on a battlefield, that would be fine. But this is singling out an individual for assasination. If that individual is a US citizen, it is illegal.
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That's what I said. Singling out one specific person for assassination is essentially a "bill of attainder"...

Try him for Treason in absentia, at least have some basis for this. The President has broad powers, but he isn't ruler of the realm.
 
Damocles said:
That's what I said. Singling out one specific person for assassination is essentially a "bill of attainder"...

Try him for Treason in absentia, at least have some basis for this. The President has broad powers, but he isn't ruler of the realm.
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Oh ok, I misunderstood what you meant.

I agree with you.
 
A sniper is trained to take out individuals, and will take out the leader if he can identify him. Same with Predator pilots. This is the same thing, essentially.
 
Southern Man said:
A sniper is trained to take out individuals, and will take out the leader if he can identify him. Same with Predator pilots. This is the same thing, essentially.
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The method is irrelevant. The fact that there is discussion of assasinating an american citizen is what is relevant.

There is a process for such an action. It has to be followed.
 
The method is to kill the snake by cutting off its head instead of working from the tail end and having it thrash around, cause all sort of collateral damage and possibly get away.
 
Southern Man said:
The method is to kill the snake by cutting off its head instead of working from the tail end and having it thrash around, cause all sort of collateral damage and possibly get away.
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But you are advocating the gov't assasinate a US citizen. There is a process for stripping away his citizenship or having a trial in absentia that must be followed.
 
Its plain wrong and I would love to see the details of the case that makes ANYONE think this is an acceptable approach.
 
WinterBorn said:
Apparently there is a statute that allows citizenship to be stripped. This is what I found so far:

"A federal statute says that a citizen loses his citizenship by "serving in the armed forces of a foreign state if such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States" but only if he does so "with the intention of relinquishing United States [citizenship].""

So apparently serving against us must be accompanied by the intent to relinguish citizenship.
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He has tried to relinquish his citizenship before, but he's been unable to. The US and other countries intentionally make it very difficult for a person to relinquish there citizenship if it would make them stateless. And no country in this world is insane enough to give him citizenship.
 
evince said:
There should be only one way to do it.

The citizen themself should have to renounce their own citizenship.
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When doing so would leave you stateless, the US doesn't even allow that, except in a very narrow set of circumstances. This guy has tried to relinquish his citizenship before.
 
evince said:
This is fucked up.

This sets a horrible precsedent.


Hes an American citizen and needs to be brought to trial.

They better have some undeniable evidence he renounced his citizenship or this is VERY bad stuff.
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I see you are trying to pretend that you are actually opposed to something the Obama administration has done. It will be very difficult for you to convince me, evince, that you truly are upset about this.

Immie
 
Immanuel said:
I see you are trying to pretend that you are actually opposed to something the Obama administration has done. It will be very difficult for you to convince me, evince, that you truly are upset about this.

Immie
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Imagine the amount of protest there would be if it had been Bush. And you can dang well believe I would have been against it there too. Why can't we just follow the process set up in the Constitution for trials and other things? What has happened to us?
 
Damocles said:
Imagine the amount of protest there would be if it had been Bush. And you can dang well believe I would have been against it there too. Why can't we just follow the process set up in the Constitution for trials and other things? What has happened to us?
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I agree. Under no circumstances is this thing acceptable. I'm certain previous Presidents have authorized such things, well maybe not assassination of U.S. citizens but others, but I don't know of any that have made a public announcement of it, not that this excuses the previous Presidents, but this smacks of lawlessness and is most definitely not a good thing to do.

Immie
 
Southern Man said:
...in this case the target is a Citizen who has denounced his citizenship or else acted in such a way that it is a slam-dunk case for revocation. Once that process is completed and he is on foreign soil then he should be targeted.
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Why wait til he's on foreign soil? Shoot the bastard on sight! The Clintons got away with murder several times.
 
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Immanuel said:
I see you are trying to pretend that you are actually opposed to something the Obama administration has done. It will be very difficult for you to convince me, evince, that you truly are upset about this.

Immie
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Velcome! I haven't seen the lion avatar around here in ages!! :clink:
 
Damocles said:
Imagine the amount of protest there would be if it had been Bush. And you can dang well believe I would have been against it there too. Why can't we just follow the process set up in the Constitution for trials and other things? What has happened to us?
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Damo, I have obviously been spectacularly opposed to this. I mentioned that it made him seem even worse than Bush. I honestly don't even think Bush would have pulled this shit. Obama just seems to think he's shielded because he's a goddamn "liberal".
 
asaratis said:
Why wait til he's on foreign soil? Shoot the bastard on sight! The Clintons got away with murder several times.
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Oh brother. Anybody who believes the urban legend that Clinton got away with murder several times doesn't have two working brain cells to rub together.
 
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