Obama asks SCOTUS to toss out Az employer sanctions law

[NOVA]

Aw, blow it out your barracks bag. The fact is that Sgt. Denogean spent 25 years in the military but suddenly got fast-tracked to citizenship right after meeting bush. Granted the government can be incompetent, but it would take a special kind of bungling to let any illegal through the system, with all the resources govt. has to check up on people. They can't thoroughly examine documents to uncover fraud? An internet user could do it, just by taking on the tedious job of poring through public records.

About 70,000 foreign-born men and women serve in the U.S. armed forces, or about 5 percent of the total active-duty force, according to the Pentagon. Of those, nearly 30,000 -- or about 43 percent -- are not U.S. citizens.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/13/navarette.opinion/index.html

Are you too stupid to read common, simple English?

1...The military does not allow illegal immigrants to enlist

2...Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist. For you idiots, this means, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN TO ENLIST

Just because you're a peckerhead, doesn't mean you have to advertise that fact to rest of the world....



suddenly got fast-tracked to citizenship right after meeting bush????

If you can prove this bullshit, I'll be happy to listen..otherwise, just STFU for awhile.

 

[christiefan915]

Are you too stupid to read common, simple English?

1...The military does not allow illegal immigrants to enlist

2...Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist. For you idiots, this means, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN TO ENLIST

Just because you're a peckerhead, doesn't mean you have to advertise that fact to rest of the world....



suddenly got fast-tracked to citizenship right after meeting bush????

If you can prove this bullshit, I'll be happy to listen..otherwise, just STFU for awhile.

STFU this, bozo.

"On 3 July 2002, President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13,269, (1) expediting the naturalization of aliens (2) and noncitizen nationals (3) serving in an active duty status (4) during the War on Terrorism. This executive order made all aliens and noncitizen nationals serving honorably on active duty between 11 September 2001 and a future date, to be determined by executive order, eligible for immediate naturalization under section 329 of the Immigration and Naturalization Act. (5) This authority does not require a period of residence or any specified period of physical presence in the United States before the soldier's application for naturalization. (6) The soldier must show, however, that for at least one year before filing for naturalization, he or she has been, and continues to be: (1) of good moral character; (2) attached to the principles of the Constitution; and (3) favoring the good order and happiness of the United States. (7) Moreover, the government may revoke citizenship granted under this executive order if the soldier is subsequently separated under other than honorable conditions. (8) Former President Clinton last used this authority to expedite the naturalization of service members who served on active duty during the Persian Gulf War." (9)

 

[Taichiliberal]

What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

And the Libtards think that until then, Arizona should just bend over and take it like a man!!

 

[tinfoil]

What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

your analogy fails. They're not reinventing the wheel, they're repairing it

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

You suck, go b uy some carbon credits and make some "hate state" t shirts to sell next to the hash pipes at the flea market

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

And the Libtards think that until then, Arizona should just bend over and take it like a man!!

why does Freedumb continually fabricate things? No one has said or alluded to the nonsense Freedumb blathers. My statement is NOT exactly a rah-rah of the feds or congress for that matter. Freedumb is A-typical of the AZ airheads who rail against the federal gov't yet turn around and give their local gov't the very powers they supposedly loathe. And when someone points out the flaws in their actions, Freedumb and his fellow fools just lash out irrationally.

Pity Freedumb and his mouth breathing ilk.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

your analogy fails. They're not reinventing the wheel, they're repairing it

You suck, go b uy some carbon credits and make some "hate state" t shirts to sell next to the hash pipes at the flea market

And please explain to the good people how giving your local law enforcement the very powers you supposedly loathe in the federal gov't law enforcement? Why does your local gov't doing what the federal gov't does make everything alright when you previously were wary of such power?

Tinfoil need to stop raving like a ignorant-but-proud high school senior and think before he types....makes him less the local crank he professes to be.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

why does Freedumb continually fabricate things? No one has said or alluded to the nonsense Freedumb blathers. My statement is NOT exactly a rah-rah of the feds or congress for that matter. Freedumb is A-typical of the AZ airheads who rail against the federal gov't yet turn around and give their local gov't the very powers they supposedly loathe. And when someone points out the flaws in their actions, Freedumb and his fellow fools just lash out irrationally.

Pity Freedumb and his mouth breathing ilk.

Poor-poor sissie chichi!!

Here he has a perfect opportunity to refute my comment, by showing what he FEELS would make the sittuation better; but instead he resorts to attacking the messenger and attempting to blow his own horn.

Everyone needs to pity, poor-poor sissie chichi.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Just so everyone knows, there is a difference between local governments with abundant powers, and the national government having them. Most Founders were perfectly okay with strong state and local governments.

The difference is that some people are federalists (and thus technically open to the above), while others support small/limited government in general. Some people are both. Its not hypocritical for a federalist to advocate a strong state and/or local government unless they profess to be for small government accross the board.

This may confuse some liberals, who are antifederalism, or simply cannot distinguish between municipal, county, state, and national government.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
why does Freedumb continually fabricate things? No one has said or alluded to the nonsense Freedumb blathers. My statement is NOT exactly a rah-rah of the feds or congress for that matter. Freedumb is A-typical of the AZ airheads who rail against the federal gov't yet turn around and give their local gov't the very powers they supposedly loathe. And when someone points out the flaws in their actions, Freedumb and his fellow fools just lash out irrationally.

Pity Freedumb and his mouth breathing ilk.

Poor-poor sissie chichi!!

Once again, Freedumb either is too proud to admit he spelled a schoolyard insult wrong (9 years running), or he's telling us he's pissed his pants or he's lamenting that his little sister has made a "chichi". Somebody either give Freedumb his meds or reduce his dosage ASAP!

Here he has a perfect opportunity to refute my comment, by showing what he FEELS would make the sittuation better; but instead he resorts to attacking the messenger and attempting to blow his own horn.

Everyone needs to pity, poor-poor sissie chichi.

Only Freedumb can tell a lie and then pretend it isn't. As the chronology of the posts shows (ahhh, the phrase that's sunlight to a neocon vampire), Freedumb does EXACTLY as I said he would. Pity poor Freedumb...and pity the state of AZ if Freedumb is a representation of the majority rule mindset there.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Only Freedumb can tell a lie and then pretend it isn't. As the chronology of the posts shows (ahhh, the phrase that's sunlight to a neocon vampire), Freedumb does EXACTLY as I said he would. Pity poor Freedumb...and pity the state of AZ if Freedumb is a representation of the majority rule mindset there.

Poor-poor sissie chichi.

Here he has another chance to redeem his pitiful behavior and instead he makes the decision to whine, instead of attempting to add something of substance.

Poor-poor sissie chichi.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Just so everyone knows, there is a difference between local governments with abundant powers, and the national government having them. Most Founders were perfectly okay with strong state and local governments.

Most founders had an 8th of a brain to create a national gov't that would try to balance such powers with the various states to avoid abuse of powers and ensure the various liberties that were the basis of setting up the country in the first place.

The difference is that some people are federalists (and thus technically open to the above), while others support small/limited government in general. Some people are both. Its not hypocritical for a federalist to advocate a strong state and/or local government unless they profess to be for small government accross the board.



This may confuse some liberals, who are antifederalism, or simply cannot distinguish between municipal, county, state, and national government.

And that's a bunch of BS...because essentially it's self justification for throwing the rules out the window when it suits them. Hypocrisy is self evident because you just can't have it both ways....slapping the blanket of "federalist" on it doesn't hide the truth of the actions consequence. Bottom line: you can't scream bloody murder about the abuse of federal jurisdiction and then claim the EXACT same thing is okay because your particular state usurps that abusive action.

 

[Minister of Truth]

And that's a bunch of BS...because essentially it's self justification for throwing the rules out the window when it suits them. Hypocrisy is self evident because you just can't have it both ways....slapping the blanket of "federalist" on it doesn't hide the truth of the actions consequence. Bottom line: you can't scream bloody murder about the abuse of federal jurisdiction and then claim the EXACT same thing is okay because your particular state usurps that abusive action.

Try studying classical American history someday. You clearly have no fucking clue what federalism is. My point is that, as with libertarianism, liberals also don't know what federalism is, or how to distinguish it from limited government. Federalism just means, in a nutshell, shared powers and separate powers between the state and national governments.

The Founding fathers did not fear their state and local governments. They spent very little time fussing over them at all. Which is why in the 20th Century, many Supreme Court rulings had to deal with individual rights under state laws. The Founders attitude is best summed up in the ruling of Barron v. Baltimore (1833): The Bill of Rights does NOT apply to the states.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Only Freedumb can tell a lie and then pretend it isn't. As the chronology of the posts shows (ahhh, the phrase that's sunlight to a neocon vampire), Freedumb does EXACTLY as I said he would. Pity poor Freedumb...and pity the state of AZ if Freedumb is a representation of the majority rule mindset there.

Poor-poor sissie chichi.

Here he has another chance to redeem his pitiful behavior and instead he makes the decision to whine, instead of attempting to add something of substance.

Poor-poor sissie chichi. 9 years ago I pointed out he mispelled s-i-s-s-y...to date he just can't handle being caught wrong. Someone else pointed out it's a child's announcement of pants wetting or a name for a sister....lord only knows what a "chichi" is. Pity poor Freedumb's proud ignorance.:palm:

Poor Freedumb.....for 9 years, whenever Freedumb cannot logically or factually defend/support is assertions or allegations, Freedumb just tells a lie and then declares the lie is the focal point of the discussion, and if no one follows Freedumb's lead, then somehow Freedumb's original blatherings are magically justified.

Someone clue the (Free)dumb bastard in...the chronology of the posts will ALWAYS expose Freedumb for the 3rd rate, dishonest neocon parrot that he is....and renders his (Free) dumb ploy irrelevent. I mean, any man who thinks mispelling a childhood insult is an act defiance seriously needs therapy to mature.

So I leave Freedumb to stubbornly pursue his obvious dodge and dishonest blatherings to the conclusion I've described. Pity the state of Arizona if Freedumb is a representative of the majority mindset.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And that's a bunch of BS...because essentially it's self justification for throwing the rules out the window when it suits them. Hypocrisy is self evident because you just can't have it both ways....slapping the blanket of "federalist" on it doesn't hide the truth of the actions consequence. Bottom line: you can't scream bloody murder about the abuse of federal jurisdiction and then claim the EXACT same thing is okay because your particular state usurps that abusive action.

Try studying classical American history someday. Try knocking off the condescending BS when it's painfully obvious you won't acknowledge the hypocrisy of your interpretation. You clearly have no fucking clue what federalism is. And you clearly think that hypocritical bullshit is justified because of a label...grow up and deal with the CONSEQUENCES AND RESULTS of the actions, and NOT the philosophy. My point is that, as with libertarianism, liberals also don't know what federalism is, or how to distinguish it from limited government. Your "point" is your opinion, NOT fact. Federalism just means, in a nutshell, shared powers and separate powers between the state and national governments. No shit sherlock....that DOES NOT change the fact that the dopes who screamed bloody murder about potential abusive laws from the fed are now happy as clams in beer because the state usurps the feds power in this instance. You can tree stump about "federalism" until doomsday, but that won't change the facts of what the new AZ law has done, and the sheer hypocrisy of those who rally support for it.

The Founding fathers did not fear their state and local governments. No one said they did...spare us moot points. They spent very little time fussing over them at all. Really? Did you sleep through the classes regarding all the wrangling in development of the Constitution and subsequent BOR regarding State and Federal laws? Not exactly an all nighter by the Founders, don't cha know? Which is why in the 20th Century, many Supreme Court rulings had to deal with individual rights under state laws. The Founders attitude is best summed up in the ruling of Barron v. Baltimore (1833): The Bill of Rights does NOT apply to the states.

Oh get the fuck out of here with this myopic bullshit of yours. The 14th Amendment took care of this, whether you like it or not. Deal with reality, not what you want to deal with.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Like I said before, you can't have it both ways...and the new AZ law is doing exactly that...and being a bunch of hypocrits about it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Poor Freedumb.....for 9 years, whenever Freedumb cannot logically or factually defend/support is assertions or allegations, Freedumb just tells a lie and then declares the lie is the focal point of the discussion, and if no one follows Freedumb's lead, then somehow Freedumb's original blatherings are magically justified.

Someone clue the (Free)dumb bastard in...the chronology of the posts will ALWAYS expose Freedumb for the 3rd rate, dishonest neocon parrot that he is....and renders his (Free) dumb ploy irrelevent. I mean, any man who thinks mispelling a childhood insult is an act defiance seriously needs therapy to mature.

So I leave Freedumb to stubbornly pursue his obvious dodge and dishonest blatherings to the conclusion I've described. Pity the state of Arizona if Freedumb is a representative of the majority mindset.

And here we have another example of how poor-poor sissie chichi is unable to support his pathetic attempts to justify his assininity.
He speaks of the chronology of the posts and this is where he suffers even more humiliation; because all anyone has to do is follow those self-same posts and see how poor-poor sissie chichi not only profides nothing of substance; but he also is unable to logically or factually refute what has been presented.

You're done sissie chichi, say goodnight gracie.

 

[tinfoil]

your analogy fails. They're not reinventing the wheel, they're repairing it



And please explain to the good people how giving your local law enforcement the very powers you supposedly loathe in the federal gov't law enforcement? Why does your local gov't doing what the federal gov't does make everything alright when you previously were wary of such power?

Tinfoil need to stop raving like a ignorant-but-proud high school senior and think before he types....makes him less the local crank he professes to be.

Hey you stupid dumbfuck, I had to move my entire business because illegal labor was so bad in liberal connecticut that I could not afford the liability insurance and compete against illegal labor that didn't have to follow any rules. Plus, when illegals destroy property through an accidental fire, or similar accident (the reason I have insurance!!) it,s law abiding citizens and business owners like me who pay the extra premiums to make up for it. You see, I obey all laws regarding taxes and licensing, etc.. I did not appreciate being put out of business while I paid taxes and followed the laws. And what was worst of all, the local enforcement was non-existent. The illegals literally gathered by the hundreds in the center of Danbury Ct every single day.


So, dumbfuck, you don't know shit!
I have personal experience with this issue

So go buy some carbon credits you stupid idiot

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Poor Freedumb.....for 9 years, whenever Freedumb cannot logically or factually defend/support is assertions or allegations, Freedumb just tells a lie and then declares the lie is the focal point of the discussion, and if no one follows Freedumb's lead, then somehow Freedumb's original blatherings are magically justified.

Someone clue the (Free)dumb bastard in...the chronology of the posts will ALWAYS expose Freedumb for the 3rd rate, dishonest neocon parrot that he is....and renders his (Free) dumb ploy irrelevent. I mean, any man who thinks mispelling a childhood insult is an act defiance seriously needs therapy to mature.

So I leave Freedumb to stubbornly pursue his obvious dodge and dishonest blatherings to the conclusion I've described. Pity the state of Arizona if Freedumb is a representative of the majority mindset.

And here we have another example of how poor-poor sissie chichi is unable to support his pathetic attempts to justify his assininity.
He speaks of the chronology of the posts and this is where he suffers even more humiliation; because all anyone has to do is follow those self-same posts and see how poor-poor sissie chichi not only profides nothing of substance; but he also is unable to logically or factually refute what has been presented.

You're done sissie chichi, say goodnight gracie.

9 years ago I pointed out he mispelled s-i-s-s-y...to date he just can't handle being caught wrong. Someone else pointed out it's a child's announcement of pants wetting or a name for a sister....lord only knows what a "chichi" is. Pity poor Freedumb's proud ignorance.

But our little (Free)dummy did EXACTLY what I said he would....more the pity Freedumb has no originality, and thus parrots my previous response endings. Poor Freedumb can never prove what he says, but he says it often.

Okay Freedumb, come and have the last inane word. Or do us all a favor Freedumb and just be silent.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

9 years ago I pointed out he mispelled s-i-s-s-y...to date he just can't handle being caught wrong. Someone else pointed out it's a child's announcement of pants wetting or a name for a sister....lord only knows what a "chichi" is. Pity poor Freedumb's proud ignorance.

But our little (Free)dummy did EXACTLY what I said he would....more the pity Freedumb has no originality, and thus parrots my previous response endings. Poor Freedumb can never prove what he says, but he says it often.

Okay Freedumb, come and have the last inane word. Or do us all a favor Freedumb and just be silent.

And here we have poor-poor sissie chichi adding yet another nail to that coffin he's building to bury his last ounce of dignity in.
As he's so won't of saying, all someone has to do is follow the chronology of his posts and they will be able to understand that he's provided no support of any of his allegations; but instead just repeats the same "info" over and over, in an attempt to make it appear that he possesses even the slightest iota of intelligence.

Poor-poor sissie chichi.
I have spent enough time, in this particular exchange, shedding light on sissie chichi's incompetence.
You're done, adios.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's really pitiful here is Arizona's little push to eliminate it's accountability to federal law on certain levels. They say since the Feds have let's us down on certain levels, let's just eliminate them and replicate those laws under state autonomy.

Sounds good on paper.....but doesn't that put a crimp on any future federal funding for the State? In effect, wouldn't AZ just be setting the stage for re-inventing the wheel in many cases?

Yes, major overhaul of the Fed immigration law is needed...but that's only going to occur if we hold accountable the various large industries that heavily lean on illegal immigrant labor in no uncertain terms....and THAT'S going to take a clean sweep of the lobbying industry in Congress and the Senate.

Tinfoil wrote:
your analogy fails. They're not reinventing the wheel, they're repairing it


And please explain to the good people how giving your local law enforcement the very powers you supposedly loathe in the federal gov't law enforcement? Why does your local gov't doing what the federal gov't does make everything alright when you previously were wary of such power?

Tinfoil need to stop raving like a ignorant-but-proud high school senior and think before he types....makes him less the local crank he professes to be.

Hey you stupid dumbfuck, I had to move my entire business because illegal labor was so bad in liberal connecticut that I could not afford the liability insurance and compete against illegal labor that didn't have to follow any rules.

Liability insurance goes up for all because of illegal employees of others? Interesting concept....any proof? And why wasn't your fellow business owners held accountable for an illegal action? And if you were financially hurting so bad, how could you afford to relocate to another state? What's your business and it's size? YOU opened the door on this, so put up or shut up.


Plus, when illegals destroy property through an accidental fire, or similar accident (the reason I have insurance!!) it,s law abiding citizens and business owners like me who pay the extra premiums to make up for it. And your proof that illegals cause more than usual fires? In what capacity? Valid stats from the fire dept., or just more of your exaggerated BS. You see, I obey all laws regarding taxes and licensing, etc.. I did not appreciate being put out of business while I paid taxes and followed the laws. You see, you're story has so many logical holes in it, that it's laughable. And what was worst of all, the local enforcement was non-existent. The illegals literally gathered by the hundreds in the center of Danbury Ct every single day. So let's get this straight....your local law enforcement was generally incompetant...you're not saying that lack of legal support held them back. Big difference from what happened in Arizona.

So, dumbfuck, you don't know shit!
I have personal experience with this issue

Your schoolyard bellowing aside, I've aptly poked enough holes in your story to cast doubt on your alleged experience. So spare us the reiteration...answer the questions or go blow smoke somewhere else.

So go buy some carbon credits you stupid idiot

Our tinfoil hat wearing local crank strikes again!