Obama and Reid: against raising debt ceiling

i wonder where the little hack is to call you out on this...oh wait, you're a dem so he won't

i already said the pubs are hypocrites on it....why is it you can't call obama and reid out but yet can call the pubs out?

according to obama it would make a weak nation, it is a sign of failed leadership, it is unfair to our children....but oh no, none of that matters now

:rolleyes:

LOL - only when you were shamed into doing it! You NEVER do it on your own!

The lefties, Yurtsie...where are they NOW?

LOL LOL LOL
 
thats a horrible analogy, its not even close....the issue is the same today as it was then



like obama said, its a sign the government can't pay its own bills, and we need foreign money to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. that was true then and its true now.


Why is it that Obama was correct then and is incorrect now? Because then he agrees with your position and now he does not? Isn't it possible that he was wrong back then and correct now and that you are also wrong? Isn't it also possible that what was true then is not true now given prevailing economic conditions?
 
LOL - only when you were shamed into doing it! You NEVER do it on your own!

The lefties, Yurtsie...where are they NOW?

LOL LOL LOL

more lies...and nothing of substance as usual

why don't you stop being a little troll hack and discuss the thread topic? or are you not capable of rational discussion and instead only capable of insults and lies?
 
thats a horrible analogy, its not even close....the issue is the same today as it was then

No, it's not. The Repubs said war was an option they could afford while cutting taxes. That's like one going on a shopping spree and quitting their job. Spending money while lowering their income.
 
more lies...and nothing of substance as usual

why don't you stop being a little troll hack and discuss the thread topic? or are you not capable of rational discussion and instead only capable of insults and lies?

I'm not lying or insulting. You'll never call out the right unless you are completely shamed into doing it.

I have theorized that you're a member of the Bush family, but your slavish devotion to the right-wing is still a mystery...
 
Why is it that Obama was correct then and is incorrect now? Because then he agrees with your position and now he does not? Isn't it possible that he was wrong back then and correct now and that you are also wrong? Isn't it also possible that what was true then is not true now given prevailing economic conditions?

so it is not a sign of failed leadership, does not make us rely on foreign money that weakens, it is not a sign of reckless spending, it is fair to burden our children and grandchildren....

odd...you seem to agree with obama now because it fits your world view. he has only changed his tune because he wants to spend the money, everything he said back then holds true today. its absolutely ridiculous to claim it doesn't. it is a sign of failed leadership, it does weaken us by making us more reliant on foreign countries to sustain us, it is a sign of reckless spending, it is unfair to our children and grandchildren and americans do deserve better.
 
I'm not lying or insulting. You'll never call out the right unless you are completely shamed into doing it.

I have theorized that you're a member of the Bush family, but your slavish devotion to the right-wing is still a mystery...

i called them out in this thread...no one shamed me or called me out on it, thats a total lie. i've also made threads attacking the right that gets me into trouble with the right, but yet you want to continue your lies because you're merely projecting.

you haven't offered any of value or substance in this thread, all you do you attack and lie. its boring. buh bye
 
so it is not a sign of failed leadership, does not make us rely on foreign money that weakens, it is not a sign of reckless spending, it is fair to burden our children and grandchildren....

odd...you seem to agree with obama now because it fits your world view. he has only changed his tune because he wants to spend the money, everything he said back then holds true today. its absolutely ridiculous to claim it doesn't. it is a sign of failed leadership, it does weaken us by making us more reliant on foreign countries to sustain us, it is a sign of reckless spending, it is unfair to our children and grandchildren and americans do deserve better.

We do deserve better, but not to the detriment of our own! There are so many other areas that could be cut and our tax dollars could better serve our nation, but people won't address those, or I should say, the lobbyist won't let that happen!
 
The government doesn't need to stop spending it just needs to balance the budget. If are budget was balanced every year from now on we would adventually pay back all of out debt. Paying back the debt takes a hudge chunk of the budget every year so lets balance the budget and stop adding to the debt.
 
i called them out in this thread...no one shamed me or called me out on it, thats a total lie. i've also made threads attacking the right that gets me into trouble with the right, but yet you want to continue your lies because you're merely projecting.

you haven't offered any of value or substance in this thread, all you do you attack and lie. its boring. buh bye

You called them out when you were shamed into doing so, and it's the only time you'll ever call them out. Frankly, it's embarassing to watch. I don't know what it is about the righties here & nationally that has earned such hackish allegiance from you....
 
so it is not a sign of failed leadership, does not make us rely on foreign money that weakens, it is not a sign of reckless spending, it is fair to burden our children and grandchildren....

odd...you seem to agree with obama now because it fits your world view. he has only changed his tune because he wants to spend the money, everything he said back then holds true today. its absolutely ridiculous to claim it doesn't. it is a sign of failed leadership, it does weaken us by making us more reliant on foreign countries to sustain us, it is a sign of reckless spending, it is unfair to our children and grandchildren and americans do deserve better.


I've already made my position clear: the debt ceiling is stupid. Congress enacts the taxing and spending policies as it sees fit. Having a fight about the debt ceiling and whether we should pay for what Congress has already spent or instead default on our debt with all of the attendant consequences is stupid and is an invitation for hostage negotiations.
 
We do deserve better, but not to the detriment of our own! There are so many other areas that could be cut and our tax dollars could better serve our nation, but people won't address those, or I should say, the lobbyist won't let that happen!

interesting point...so when do we draw the line?
 
Nobody's calling in our debt. This is just propaganda to cut services to people who need them, so more people are poor, according to the dictates of the population control agenda.
 
I've already made my position clear: the debt ceiling is stupid. Congress enacts the taxing and spending policies as it sees fit. Having a fight about the debt ceiling and whether we should pay for what Congress has already spent or instead default on our debt with all of the attendant consequences is stupid and is an invitation for hostage negotiations.

the debt ceiling is good for proper fiscal restraint. without it, and you obviously support it, congress has essentially an unlimited spending budget. why bother with fiscal responsibility, let's continue our reckless fiscal policy that obama complained of 2006 and raise the debt the ceiling. its great to be in debt more and more to foreign countries. its just awesome to saddle our children with enormous debt loads. it makes this country strong to be more in debt to foreign powers.

great point nigel!!!
 
Nobody's calling in our debt. This is just propaganda to cut services to people who need them, so more people are poor, according to the dictates of the population control agenda.

What does the national debt have to do with population control.
 
If we cut aid to poor people because of debt concerns, it will be harder for them to have children. It's pretty basic. Which part is confusing to you?

Economic growth lowers birth rates. The more aid and economic opportunities america provides developing countries the lower their birth rates get. Economic growth all ways results in declinning birth rates.
 
the debt ceiling is good for proper fiscal restraint. without it, and you obviously support it, congress has essentially an unlimited spending budget. why bother with fiscal responsibility, let's continue our reckless fiscal policy that obama complained of 2006 and raise the debt the ceiling. its great to be in debt more and more to foreign countries. its just awesome to saddle our children with enormous debt loads. it makes this country strong to be more in debt to foreign powers.

great point nigel!!!


With or without it Congress has an unlimited spending budget. Clearly. It does nothing to bring about fiscal responsibility. In the end, the debt ceiling will almost certainly be raised as it has every other time it has come up for a vote.
 
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