NY Post publishes Obama's socialist plans, then mistakes him for Robin Hood???

I'm all for universal heathcare! So..... Obama 1 and McCain 0

Next issue please. :cof1:

P.S. Robin Hood was a good man! :clink:
 
Dungheap said:
OK. You're not a hack. You're just an idiot. If you read Obama's healthcare proposal he is not pushing for universal healthcare. In fact, that he was not pushing for universal healthcare was a big issue in the Democratic primary because Clinton and Edwards were while he was not.

Some quote from almost two years ago about what he would prefer in an idea world is not a policy proposal.
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That's not what he'd prefer, that's what he wants to accomplish. The word is right in there. Yes his carefully crafted policy proposal is going to be fairly PC on how his plan sounds but on the stump he is drumming up support for universal healthcare. I've seen this show before with Hillary and Bill when they tried to push universal healthcare in the early 90's despite policy proposals that didn't mention that.
Bill and Hil had a Dem majority in congress at the start of their term and decided to go all out for universal healthcare, Obama will do the same, moreso in the current climate where healthcare has been poisoned by overregulation since then (ie: Patients Rights Act) and the public mood is more for it.
 
KingCondanomation said:
That's not what he'd prefer, that's what he wants to accomplish. The word is right in there. Yes his carefully crafted policy proposal is going to be fairly PC on how his plan sounds but on the stump he is drumming up support for universal healthcare. I've seen this show before with Hillary and Bill when they tried to push universal healthcare in the early 90's despite policy proposals that didn't mention that.
Bill and Hil had a Dem majority in congress at the start of their term and decided to go all out for universal healthcare, Obama will do the same, moreso in the current climate where healthcare has been poisoned by overregulation since then (ie: Patients Rights Act) and the public mood is more for it.
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Whatever. I'm not going to argue with your silliness. The bottom line is that McCain proposals would result in a much higher deficit than what Obama has proposed.
 
KingCondanomation said:
This isn't the 50's, you have a global economy, you are already seeing business leave from high taxes, high regulations and the world's worst overburdening lawsuit system. Obama and Dems will only make all 3 of those worse.

Patriotic rich Americans didn't mind big taxes in the 50's to go with national pride in the thinking of that time, today they will and already do move offshore to tax havens in the Caribean.
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Dano, we tax by citizenship. Do they really want to leave everything they've known all their life and give up their citizenship to save 10% or so on taxes? Most say no. And besides, they have everything located in the US, and they couldn't run it from the Caribbean. They aren't going to move all their workers to a Caribbean isle.
 
Onceler said:
So myopic. Often, private investors follow the gov't. If you read anything on this topic, which you obviously don't, you would know that increased gov't funding is going to get us where we want to be decades sooner.

We had this debate on funding for medical research; you bailed on it when I dug up a study showing the absolutely astronomical return on investment for the relatively paltry amount the gov't invests.

You really don't understand the concept of ROI.
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IMHO the budget for medical research should be doubled, and the budget for scientific research should be tripled. This actually wouldn't even be that expensive, because we spend amazingly little on it.
 
KingCondanomation said:
You are right on that first point though Lorax, it's not always a good thing, I thought missile defense spending was critical but in the current climate with a now over $10 trillion deficit?
What the Dems really need to do is cut spending, military spending is a natural place for them to start but they are stuck talking about change with "new ideas" (as in new (old) spending ideas). I just don't see Obama cutting spending and certainly not against his own party.
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Dano if we proposed to cut military spending in the current unstable world situation, the fact is that we would lose.
 
KingCondanomation said:
McCain (despite the McSame calls) is not Bush, he has consistently fought against pork and is looking to reform healthcare and introduce more competition rather than start a giant new $1.2 trillion universal healthcare social welfare plan.
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O rly?

I read from a conservative watchdog group, which had an agenda against Obama, that his plan would cost about 60 billion a year extra.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. The story says that the Obama Campaign estimates that low of a cost. It wasn't estimated, as you said, by the "conservative watchdog group".

Are you taking reading comprehension courses from CK?
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O_o

I think I remebered it wrong... I think I read some conservative article that cited that figure, and somehow it got into my head that a conservative group MADE the estimate. This is why I shouldn't trust me head to keep up with statistics...
 
Watermark said:
O_o

I think I remebered it wrong... I think I read some conservative article that cited that figure, and somehow it got into my head that a conservative group MADE the estimate. This is why I shouldn't trust me head to keep up with statistics...
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It happens to the best of us.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Robin Hood stole from the tax collectors (rich King and nobles) and gave back to the taxed (poor).
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And so would we be taking it from the huge corporations, monopolies, Wall Street Moguls, lobbyists & corrupt politicians (the present version of kings & nobles).

Want a true change in Washington? VOTE FOR ME! Now where have I heard that before? :cof1:
 
Watermark said:
O_o

I think I remebered it wrong... I think I read some conservative article that cited that figure, and somehow it got into my head that a conservative group MADE the estimate. This is why I shouldn't trust me head to keep up with statistics...
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We don't either. Don't worry.
 
Watermark said:
Oh the poor, poor, poor, rich. I weep every night for them. Nevermind the fact that they just make so goddamn much that if they paid 1% of the taxes they would probably give more than the lower classes. And there taxes have been cut in half since the 80's. No other group has seen any real tax cuts at all.
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Yeah, tell that to the founding fathers. They would have you tarred and feathered and then the mob would move in on your property and lay waste to it, you anti-American douchebag!
 
Watermark said:
We also had a humongous boom in the 50's when their taxes were raised to 90%.

Sure, the amount of money coming out of that bracket increased from 1980-1990. But it increased a hell of a lot loss than from 1970-1980. The fact is that they didn't barely keep up with inflation.
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Wrongo, the 90% was put into place by FDR in 1944 as part of the war effort. The market finally recovered from Hoover/FDR in 1950, which is when the Dow finally took off. When Ike took over in Jan. 1953, he basically had a hands off policy on the economy. This worked until the economy began to slip in 1957. It helped JFK in his close contest with Nixon to be able to say that the economy was in trouble (that is, he didn't have to lie about it the way he did about missiles, bombers, and our strategic position in the Cold War). As president, JFK's big success was cutting the top rates back down to 70%, which reinvigorate the economy until LBJ got his hands on spending.
 
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