NY attack hangs over Obama push for action on refugees

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Obama on Tuesday will call for a new international commitment to deal with the worldwide refugee crisis even as presidential nominee Donald Trump and other Republicans push to bar Muslims from entering the U.S. < incorrect "Muslim ban"

The president will outline his vision during remarks at a refugee summit on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, a city struck by terrorism on Saturday.

Calls for Obama to reconsider his approach have been stirred anew by the latest attacks, which included homemade bombs in New York and New Jersey and stabbings in a Minnesota mall.
The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria took credit for the Minnesota attack on Saturday reportedly carried out by Dahir Adan, a 22-year-old Somali-American who worked at a private security firm. Nine people were wounded in the stabbings; Adan was shot and killed by an off-duty police officer.

In New Jersey, Ahmad Khan Rahami, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Afghanistan, was arrested Monday in connection with bombs left in New York City and Seaside Park, N.J.

The manhunt for Rahami, arrested after a shootout in New Jersey, instantly gave the GOP standard-bearer new fodder.

“Hillary Clinton wants to increase what [Obama has] let in,” Trump said Monday on Fox News. “He’s let in thousands and thousands of people. They don’t know — they can’t be properly vetted, there’s no way. Our leaders are — I don’t even say weak, I say stupid.”
Calls for tighter curbs on immigration also came from a former Trump rival in Congress.

“Congress should act to prevent Americans who have travelled abroad for training from returning here, and to stop the flow of refugees from hotbeds of terrorism in the Middle East that President Obama is determined to bring to our country,” Sen. Ted Cruz
(R-Texas), a former presidential candidate, said Monday.

The U.S. is accepting 10,000 refugees from Syria, and Obama wants the nation to accept 110,000 refugees from around the world next year.

That is a 30 percent increase from the total number the U.S. welcomed this year.


Not since World War II has the world been forced to grapple with a refugee crisis on this scale; more than 65 million people have been driven from their homes, and 21 million have crossed international borders.

The pressure to find a place for refugees is coinciding with deep fears in the United States over immigrants from the Middle East.


Hillary Clinton has called for accepting 65,000 Syrian refugees next year, and on Tuesday said she has “long been an advocate for tough vetting.”

But the Democratic nominee said the people fleeing violence in Syria are not the same kind of people who attacked the country on Sept. 11, 2001.

“These were not refugees who got into airplanes and attacked our city and our country,” she told reporters Monday during a news conference. “So let’s not get diverted and distracted by the kind of campaign rhetoric we hear coming from the other side.”
Speaking in New York, Obama did not mention Trump by name, but he did warn Americans not to “succumb to that fear” following terror attacks.

Much remains unknown about Rahami and Adan, including whether they came to the United States as refugees.

Advocates expressed dismay that those details have been lost in the debate, although they acknowledged it’s all but expected in a heated political season dominated by Trump’s tough talk on immigration.

“It doesn’t surprise me,” said AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Tefere Gebre, who added there is “no statistical evidence” that refugees are more likely to commit acts of terror.

“Refugees like myself are very grateful Americans,” said Gebre, who fled Ethiopia as a teenager. “It’s a shame to see people like Trump play a game with a serious thing like refugees fleeing violence.”

The squabbling has cast a shadow over the president’s refugee meeting, expected to be one of the signature moments during his final appearance at the annual U.N. summit as president.

Obama plans to announce new commitments from foreign governments and corporations to aid refugees, including a pledge to resettle 110,000 refugees from all nations inside the United States next year.

Obama has faced criticism from all sides over his handling of the Syrian crisis.

Human rights groups have praised the summit but also say it highlights the Obama administration’s failings in Syria. Obama has refused to directly intervene in the country’s five-year civil war with actions like setting up safe zones for refugees.

Dozens of countries are expected to announce new commitments at the summit, which is co-hosted by Jordan, Mexico, Sweden, Germany, Canada and Ethiopia, according to administration officials.

“This summit is not going to be a panacea,” Samantha Power

the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., told reporters. “But it’s an example, I think, of the U.S. leveraging our unrivaled leadership ... to get countries to do things they would not otherwise have done if this meeting were not occurring.”

Power did not disclose the pledges from other countries. But on Monday, China announced it plans to contribute an additional $100 million to refugee relief efforts. Canada pledged a 10 percent increase in its overall humanitarian assistance efforts this year.

Refugee activists say the administration could still be doing more.

“US leadership better if Syria refugees accepted (10K) matched Canada (35K) or Germany (500K),” Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, tweeted Monday.

A coalition of 41 nongovernmental organizations have urged Obama to increase the U.S.’s overall refugee target to 200,000 next year. But Republicans in Congress, which funds refugee resettlement efforts, have posed a roadblock to further expansion.

Their opposition to a more generous refugee policy may harden after last weekend’s violence
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-hangs-over-obama-push-for-action-on-refugees
 
Hillary Clinton has called for accepting 65,000 Syrian refugees next year, and on Tuesday said she has “long been an advocate for tough vetting.”
impossible to thoroughly vet anything near that amount in one year.

We took in about 8500 this year, and that took years of vetting
 
Every single attack that we've seen in recent years has been carried out by U.S citizens who have been here for all or most of their lives.
 
we haven't had that many refugees from Syria/Afgh. Unlike Europe that accepts millions.
But we do know ISIS claims to have operatives in (various) refugee flows .

A lot of the lone wolves are inspired by traveling to "terrorist countries" -so they need to go on a monitoring list when they return-
something we are not automatically doing
But we STILL need careful vetting of refugees, there is no way in the world we can do 65k in a year.
 
The group is probably exploring a variety of means for infiltrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel,” Brennan said.

"Unfortunately, despite all our progress against ISIL on the battlefield and in the financial realm, our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach,” Brennan testified. “The group's foreign branches and global networks can help preserve its capacity for terrorism regardless of events in Iraq and Syria. In fact, as the pressure mounts on ISIL, we judge that it will intensify its global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...eakened_isis_expect_attacks_to_intensify.html
 
we haven't had that many refugees from Syria/Afgh. Unlike Europe that accepts millions.
But we do know ISIS claims to have operatives in (various) refugee flows .

A lot of the lone wolves are inspired by traveling to "terrorist countries" -so they need to go on a monitoring list when they return-
something we are not automatically doing
But we STILL need careful vetting of refugees, there is no way in the world we can do 65k in a year.
I would agree about keeping an eye on those who travel to specific countries, and then return.

But I seem to remember you as a pro Snowden/Manning, and severely anti NSA tactics.

So what do you suggest?
 
I would agree about keeping an eye on those who travel to specific countries, and then return.

But I seem to remember you as a pro Snowden/Manning, and severely anti NSA tactics.

So what do you suggest?

I predict that he will suggest whatever Trump is proposing, which is subject to change.
 
I would agree about keeping an eye on those who travel to specific countries, and then return.
But I seem to remember you as a pro Snowden/Manning, and severely anti NSA tactics.

So what do you suggest?
It doesn't take the NSA to list those traveling to "terrorist countries" ( sic -trump).
My objection to the NSA was pfishing US citizens, who are entitled to the 4th. But not the rest of would be terrorists ( within reason).

Then once they are on the list for suspicious activities - maybe for a couple years -they either move up to the actual terrorist watch lists,
or drop off monitoring
 
It doesn't take the NSA to list those traveling to "terrorist countries" ( sic -trump). My objection to the NSA was pfishing US citizens, who are entitled to the 4th. But not the rest of would be terrorists ( within reason). Then once they are on the list for suspicious activities - maybe for a couple years -they either move up to the actual terrorist watch lists, or drop off monitoring

How is your position consistent with the rights of American citizens?
 
Every single attack that we've seen in recent years has been carried out by U.S citizens who have been here for all or most of their lives.

And who were born to muslimes who immigrated here. See the connection? Need it spelled out for you?

How many muslimes do we need? Why do we need them? Is there a shortage of 7-11s?
 
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