Nuclear power issue

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Says as Southy REFUSES TO READ ANY MATERIAL OFFERED BY PEOPLE WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN HIS.

The chronology of the posts on this thread proves what I say here is true. So any further denial or accusations or lies or general BS from Southy is just his stubborness achieving insipidness.

Let the Four Horsemen of the Moronic ride on!

What did you say your degree was in?

I was taught in grade school by the nuns that when you discuss an issue you read ALL the information made available to you so that you know what you are talking about in an honest fashion.

To date, you have steadfastly REFUSED to adhere to that simple lesson on this threads' topic.

Don't need a degree to fathom that. Let the Four Horsemen of the Moronic ride on!
 
And yet AGAIN..... DISASTER STRIKES:

2 miners found dead in roof collapse at Ky. mine
(AP) – 7 hours ago


PROVIDENCE, Ky. — A rescue team found a second Kentucky miner dead Thursday after a roof collapse at an underground coal mine with a long history of safety problems.
Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear identified the miners as Justin Travis, 27, and Michael Carter, 28. The collapse happened late Wednesday at the Dotiki Mine near Providence.
"Our entire state mourns along with the families and friends," Beshear said in a statement. "Despite our sadness, we must press forward to the work ahead of us — fully investigating what caused this accident and determining ways to avoid such accidents in the future."
Carl Boone, district supervisor for the U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration, said crews have removed Carter's body from the mine, but, as of 4 p.m. Central, were still working to retrieve the body of Travis. Boone said the investigation into the collapse will begin as soon as it is determined that the mine is safe to enter.
"We'll just have to take it one step at a time," he said.
Beshear met with family members Thursday afternoon in the Nebo Baptist Church. While he was inside, a woman was brought out of the church on a stretcher and taken away by ambulance.
Family members had declined to talk to reporters.

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All because we haven't built enough nuclear power facilities in the US!
 
I was taught in grade school by the nuns that when you discuss an issue you read ALL the information made available to you so that you know what you are talking about in an honest fashion.

To date, you have steadfastly REFUSED to adhere to that simple lesson on this threads' topic.

Don't need a degree to fathom that. Let the Four Horsemen of the Moronic ride on!
So you never went to college?
 
And yet AGAIN..... DISASTER STRIKES:

2 miners found dead in roof collapse at Ky. mine
(AP) – 7 hours ago


PROVIDENCE, Ky. — A rescue team found a second Kentucky miner dead Thursday after a roof collapse at an underground coal mine with a long history of safety problems.
Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear identified the miners as Justin Travis, 27, and Michael Carter, 28. The collapse happened late Wednesday at the Dotiki Mine near Providence.
"Our entire state mourns along with the families and friends," Beshear said in a statement. "Despite our sadness, we must press forward to the work ahead of us — fully investigating what caused this accident and determining ways to avoid such accidents in the future."
Carl Boone, district supervisor for the U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration, said crews have removed Carter's body from the mine, but, as of 4 p.m. Central, were still working to retrieve the body of Travis. Boone said the investigation into the collapse will begin as soon as it is determined that the mine is safe to enter.
"We'll just have to take it one step at a time," he said.
Beshear met with family members Thursday afternoon in the Nebo Baptist Church. While he was inside, a woman was brought out of the church on a stretcher and taken away by ambulance.
Family members had declined to talk to reporters.

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All because we haven't built enough nuclear power facilities in the US!

Actually, it's due to the corruption and greed of an ownership that has a record of violations which demostrates bottom line profit and management monetary largesse as more important than the safety and economic security of the workers. If you were to do your homework properly, you'd know this.

And again, neither you or anyone else has YET to disprove the information I've provided regarding cancer related illness and/or death rates for those in and around nuke power plants....let alone the environmental impact.

But do continue on your pitiful path.....Ride, my moronic Horseman, RIDE!
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I was taught in grade school by the nuns that when you discuss an issue you read ALL the information made available to you so that you know what you are talking about in an honest fashion.

To date, you have steadfastly REFUSED to adhere to that simple lesson on this threads' topic.

Don't need a degree to fathom that. Let the Four Horsemen of the Moronic ride on!

So you never went to college?

Post 198 and 200

Watch Southy ride hard, bellowing lies while dodging facts and logic, folks. Ride, my Moronic Horseman, RIDE! :cof1:
 
Actually, it's due to the corruption and greed of an ownership that has a record of violations which demostrates bottom line profit and management monetary largesse as more important than the safety and economic security of the workers. If you were to do your homework properly, you'd know this.

And again, neither you or anyone else has YET to disprove the information I've provided regarding cancer related illness and/or death rates for those in and around nuke power plants....let alone the environmental impact.

But do continue on your pitiful path.....Ride, my moronic Horseman, RIDE!

No, it's because we have to offset the energy production we are lacking due to not building nuclear power plants. It's amazing... You'll let Iran develop a fucking nuclear bomb under the premise they are using enriched uranium for nuclear power, but WE can't use enriched uranium for nuclear power in our own goddamn country!
 
No, it's because we have to offset the energy production we are lacking due to not building nuclear power plants. It's amazing... You'll let Iran develop a fucking nuclear bomb under the premise they are using enriched uranium for nuclear power, but WE can't use enriched uranium for nuclear power in our own goddamn country!

:palm: Your stupidity is almost outweighed by your dishonesty.

THINK, YOU NIT, THINK! The recent mining disaster YOU pointed out is a DIRECT result of a management that has faced NUMEROUS fines for violations of safety standards. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR OWNERSHIP/MANAGEMENT SACRIFICING THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS FOR A PROFIT.

A Toady like you will excuse anything and anyone to support your warped ideology....you couldn't give a damn about the people who do the dirty work.

Then to add insult to injury, you LIE about what and why I started this thread....to point out the FACTS of illness, fatalities, environmental damage, real costs, and logistical matters that demonstrate how nuke power is NOT the savior of American energy needs.....at least NOT without dire consequences that dopes like you would gladly overlook or excuse.

Oh, and FYI.....WE GAVE IRAN IT'S MATERIAL AND RESEARCH START IN NUKE ENERGY UNDER THE SHAH PAHVIL. Now everyone is bent because like Israel, Iran wants the bomb. Maybe if the Shrub had gotten his head out of Cheney's ass and resumed the dialogue with the Mullah's like Slick Willy had, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Bottom line: one Iranian jackass exchanged for another.
 
:palm: Your stupidity is almost outweighed by your dishonesty.

THINK, YOU NIT, THINK! The recent mining disaster YOU pointed out is a DIRECT result of a management that has faced NUMEROUS fines for violations of safety standards. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR OWNERSHIP/MANAGEMENT SACRIFICING THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS FOR A PROFIT.

A Toady like you will excuse anything and anyone to support your warped ideology....you couldn't give a damn about the people who do the dirty work.

Then to add insult to injury, you LIE about what and why I started this thread....to point out the FACTS of illness, fatalities, environmental damage, real costs, and logistical matters that demonstrate how nuke power is NOT the savior of American energy needs.....at least NOT without dire consequences that dopes like you would gladly overlook or excuse.

Oh, and FYI.....WE GAVE IRAN IT'S MATERIAL AND RESEARCH START IN NUKE ENERGY UNDER THE SHAH PAHVIL. Now everyone is bent because like Israel, Iran wants the bomb. Maybe if the Shrub had gotten his head out of Cheney's ass and resumed the dialogue with the Mullah's like Slick Willy had, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Bottom line: one Iranian jackass exchanged for another.

The mining disasters are a direct result of us sending men into underground coal mines to dig for coal, because we don't build nuclear power plants. If we built nuclear power plants (LIKE IRAN) then maybe we wouldn't need to send men into underground mines to dig for coal, and maybe none of these safety issues would be issues at all, because we wouldn't be underground digging for coal like a bunch of neanderthals!

Yeah, I am pretty bent about a radical religious nutjob getting a nuclear bomb, since he has already threatened to annihilate Israel as soon as he does. When that happens, we can count on you to blame that on Bush too, I suppose? Why don't YOU go have dialogue with the radical Muslims... you can tell them all about the "dangers" of nuclear energy, I am sure they will listen to your sound reason and logic!
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Your stupidity is almost outweighed by your dishonesty.

THINK, YOU NIT, THINK! The recent mining disaster YOU pointed out is a DIRECT result of a management that has faced NUMEROUS fines for violations of safety standards. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR OWNERSHIP/MANAGEMENT SACRIFICING THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS FOR A PROFIT.

A Toady like you will excuse anything and anyone to support your warped ideology....you couldn't give a damn about the people who do the dirty work.

Then to add insult to injury, you LIE about what and why I started this thread....to point out the FACTS of illness, fatalities, environmental damage, real costs, and logistical matters that demonstrate how nuke power is NOT the savior of American energy needs.....at least NOT without dire consequences that dopes like you would gladly overlook or excuse.

Oh, and FYI.....WE GAVE IRAN IT'S MATERIAL AND RESEARCH START IN NUKE ENERGY UNDER THE SHAH PAHVIL. Now everyone is bent because like Israel, Iran wants the bomb. Maybe if the Shrub had gotten his head out of Cheney's ass and resumed the dialogue with the Mullah's like Slick Willy had, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Bottom line: one Iranian jackass exchanged for another.

The mining disasters are a direct result of us sending men into underground coal mines to dig for coal, because we don't build nuclear power plants. You're repeating yourself....a sure sign of a neocon parrot. We were sending folks into the mines LONG before nuke power plants went online commercially over 30 years ago, you numbskull. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE MANAGEMENTS HISTORICAL RECORD OF INDIFFERENCE TO MINERS SAFETY....as the numerous unheeded violations show. If we built nuclear power plants (LIKE IRAN) then maybe we wouldn't need to send men into underground mines to dig for coal, and maybe none of these safety issues would be issues at all, because we wouldn't be underground digging for coal like a bunch of neanderthals!

MAYBE if corporate ass kissers like yourself got their way, Shoreham nuke power plant on Long Island, NY would have went on-line with faulty coolant pipes....folk like me who gave it the hard eye discovered that and other major problems, and with a little hard work got it shut down. Maybe if conservative idealogues like you got their way, the various documented cases of contamination to surrounding wildlife would be DOUBLE now, as well as the cases of various cancer spikes to populations surrounding nuke plants. And MAYBE if insipidly stubborn folk like yourself got their way, we'd have DOUBLE the amount of nuke waste to contend with.
Maybe if the existing energy industries didn't fight environmental emissions regulations tooth and nail, and actually took measures to PROTECT the workers like they should, and didn't do a propaganda number to INCORPORATE wind and solar, then we could actually start to decommission all those nuke plants who are PAST 30 years and subsequent operating peak sans structural refit. But hey, you just keep ignoring all this and parrot yourself silly with pro-nuke mantras.


Yeah, I am pretty bent about a radical religious nutjob getting a nuclear bomb, And yet your counterparts 30 or so years earlier weren't worried about giving it to a fascist nutjob. Like I said, one asshole traded for another. since he has already threatened to annihilate Israel as soon as he does. FYI: Amadinejhad doesn't have final say...the mullahs do. THEY were the ones who were repeatedly asking the Shrub for a sit down, and got refuffed with bush-wah. If the Shrub didn't give the little jerk the PR keys to the kingdom, he would have been voted out, as he didn't deliver on any of his financial promises to his people. When that happens, we can count on you to blame that on Bush too, I suppose? Why don't YOU go have dialogue with the radical Muslims... you can tell them all about the "dangers" of nuclear energy, I am sure they will listen to your sound reason and logic!

Why don't YOU stop braying like an ass and deal with the FACTS I laid out previously...your dodge here is painfully obvious.
 
You're repeating yourself....a sure sign of a neocon parrot. We were sending folks into the mines LONG before nuke power plants went online commercially over 30 years ago, you numbskull. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE MANAGEMENTS HISTORICAL RECORD OF INDIFFERENCE TO MINERS SAFETY....as the numerous unheeded violations show.

If repeating yourself means you are a NEOCON parrot, what do your friends think of your new-found right wing affiliation? I bet that was a shocker to them! I don't understand your point about sending men into mines long before nuclear power. Of course we were... men have been poking around in underground caves for thousands of years. It's still just as unsafe as it ever was. My argument is, nuclear power replaces the need to go underground and mine coal for energy production, and is much safer. You'd think a progressive would understand advancement in technology...I guess that must be your NEOCON kicking in, huh?

Oh, there is a real good excuse for the management's historical indifference to miner safety... MONEY! Have you heard activist liberal nitwits lately? If management were forced to implement EVERY safety precaution liberal nitwits wanted, it would not be worth the trouble of mining coal, we'd have to abandon that as well as nuclear energy. Since people have kind of gotten used to electrical power, and we haven't built any new nuclear plants lately, we have to weigh the liberal pinhead safety issues with cost factor of implementing them... but again, nuclear power eliminates a lot of this, as it eliminates the need to mine for coal as much. It's just plain common sense.

MAYBE if corporate ass kissers like yourself got their way, Shoreham nuke power plant on Long Island, NY would have went on-line with faulty coolant pipes....folk like me who gave it the hard eye discovered that and other major problems, and with a little hard work got it shut down.

Don't know anything about this plant, but the important thing is, it didn't go online with faulty coolant pipes, something prevented that from happening. Stuff like this is the reason we've been dealing with nuclear energy for over 60 years, and haven't had a single death from the production of it. It's like space travel (only safer)... we go into space all the time now, but it's relatively safe as long as we follow our guidelines. We have developed a safety system and for the most part, it works. Nuclear energy is the highest regulated and most safety-scrutinized form of energy, period! And I am glad you are proud of your efforts in ensuring the US has not opened a nuclear power facility in 30 years, thanks to you, we are 30 years behind the rest of the world, while we continue to endure untold numbers of deaths and diseases from underground coal mining, and unprecedented ecological damage from oil drilling. Nuclear energy would have certainly eliminated the need for some of this, don't you imagine?

Maybe if conservative idealogues like you got their way, the various documented cases of contamination to surrounding wildlife would be DOUBLE now, as well as the cases of various cancer spikes to populations surrounding nuke plants. And MAYBE if insipidly stubborn folk like yourself got their way, we'd have DOUBLE the amount of nuke waste to contend with.

Well first of all, there has been no evidence to link cancer spikes or wildlife damage to nuclear power facilities operating in the United States. Manipulating data to make your case, is a pointless venture, as the Warmers recently discovered. Any data can be made to indicate anything, when it is distorted for that purpose, you should know that. As for nuclear waste, we have a method of disposing it, and this seems to work for the rest of the world, including Iran... I don't see you protesting their nuclear waste. Or France!

Maybe if the existing energy industries didn't fight environmental emissions regulations tooth and nail, and actually took measures to PROTECT the workers like they should, and didn't do a propaganda number to INCORPORATE wind and solar, then we could actually start to decommission all those nuke plants who are PAST 30 years and subsequent operating peak sans structural refit. But hey, you just keep ignoring all this and parrot yourself silly with pro-nuke mantras.

No, IF they didn't fight tooth and nail against the ENVIRO-WACKOS, your average power bill would be about $6,000.00 a month. That is what it would take to implement the regulations/safety precautions/limitations/restrictions on the industry as a whole, if all the environmental activist groups had their way. Many areas wouldn't be able to get power, even at the exorbitant prices.

FYI: Amadinejhad doesn't have final say...the mullahs do. THEY were the ones who were repeatedly asking the Shrub for a sit down, and got refuffed with bush-wah. If the Shrub didn't give the little jerk the PR keys to the kingdom, he would have been voted out, as he didn't deliver on any of his financial promises to his people.

Uhm, do the Mullahs respect Israel's right to exist, and not believe they must be wiped from the planet to make way for the 12th Imam, and return of Allah? Do the Mullahs, (who are the authority figures over the radical Islamic beliefs of Amadinejhad), share some sort of secret benevolent view toward Jews? This is news to me! Tell me more!

Now your guy has had 16 months to "sit down" with Amadinejhad, to reason with him, to do what Bush failed to do.... what are the results? Has Obama changed any hearts or minds? Doesn't seem like it to me, Iranians are poised to have a nuke or two by next year, and at this point, aside from a major military conflagration, nothing is going to stop them. At some point, don't you think you might stop sitting on your hands and blaming Bush? Maybe you're waiting for the mushroom cloud over Jerusalem, so you can shake your head and proclaim it such a tragedy and more blood on the hands of George W. Bush?
 
You're repeating yourself....a sure sign of a neocon parrot. We were sending folks into the mines LONG before nuke power plants went online commercially over 30 years ago, you numbskull. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE MANAGEMENTS HISTORICAL RECORD OF INDIFFERENCE TO MINERS SAFETY....as the numerous unheeded violations show.

If repeating yourself means you are a NEOCON parrot, what do your friends think of your new-found right wing affiliation? I bet that was a shocker to them! I don't understand your point about sending men into mines long before nuclear power. Of course we were... men have been poking around in underground caves for thousands of years. It's still just as unsafe as it ever was. My argument is, nuclear power replaces the need to go underground and mine coal for energy production, and is much safer. You'd think a progressive would understand advancement in technology...I guess that must be your NEOCON kicking in, huh?

Oh, there is a real good excuse for the management's historical indifference to miner safety... MONEY! Have you heard activist liberal nitwits lately? If management were forced to implement EVERY safety precaution liberal nitwits wanted, it would not be worth the trouble of mining coal, we'd have to abandon that as well as nuclear energy. Since people have kind of gotten used to electrical power, and we haven't built any new nuclear plants lately, we have to weigh the liberal pinhead safety issues with cost factor of implementing them... but again, nuclear power eliminates a lot of this, as it eliminates the need to mine for coal as much. It's just plain common sense.

MAYBE if corporate ass kissers like yourself got their way, Shoreham nuke power plant on Long Island, NY would have went on-line with faulty coolant pipes....folk like me who gave it the hard eye discovered that and other major problems, and with a little hard work got it shut down.

Don't know anything about this plant, but the important thing is, it didn't go online with faulty coolant pipes, something prevented that from happening. Stuff like this is the reason we've been dealing with nuclear energy for over 60 years, and haven't had a single death from the production of it. It's like space travel (only safer)... we go into space all the time now, but it's relatively safe as long as we follow our guidelines. We have developed a safety system and for the most part, it works. Nuclear energy is the highest regulated and most safety-scrutinized form of energy, period! And I am glad you are proud of your efforts in ensuring the US has not opened a nuclear power facility in 30 years, thanks to you, we are 30 years behind the rest of the world, while we continue to endure untold numbers of deaths and diseases from underground coal mining, and unprecedented ecological damage from oil drilling. Nuclear energy would have certainly eliminated the need for some of this, don't you imagine?

Maybe if conservative idealogues like you got their way, the various documented cases of contamination to surrounding wildlife would be DOUBLE now, as well as the cases of various cancer spikes to populations surrounding nuke plants. And MAYBE if insipidly stubborn folk like yourself got their way, we'd have DOUBLE the amount of nuke waste to contend with.

Well first of all, there has been no evidence to link cancer spikes or wildlife damage to nuclear power facilities operating in the United States. Manipulating data to make your case, is a pointless venture, as the Warmers recently discovered. Any data can be made to indicate anything, when it is distorted for that purpose, you should know that. As for nuclear waste, we have a method of disposing it, and this seems to work for the rest of the world, including Iran... I don't see you protesting their nuclear waste. Or France!

Maybe if the existing energy industries didn't fight environmental emissions regulations tooth and nail, and actually took measures to PROTECT the workers like they should, and didn't do a propaganda number to INCORPORATE wind and solar, then we could actually start to decommission all those nuke plants who are PAST 30 years and subsequent operating peak sans structural refit. But hey, you just keep ignoring all this and parrot yourself silly with pro-nuke mantras.

No, IF they didn't fight tooth and nail against the ENVIRO-WACKOS, your average power bill would be about $6,000.00 a month. That is what it would take to implement the regulations/safety precautions/limitations/restrictions on the industry as a whole, if all the environmental activist groups had their way. Many areas wouldn't be able to get power, even at the exorbitant prices.

FYI: Amadinejhad doesn't have final say...the mullahs do. THEY were the ones who were repeatedly asking the Shrub for a sit down, and got refuffed with bush-wah. If the Shrub didn't give the little jerk the PR keys to the kingdom, he would have been voted out, as he didn't deliver on any of his financial promises to his people.

Uhm, do the Mullahs respect Israel's right to exist, and not believe they must be wiped from the planet to make way for the 12th Imam, and return of Allah? Do the Mullahs, (who are the authority figures over the radical Islamic beliefs of Amadinejhad), share some sort of secret benevolent view toward Jews? This is news to me! Tell me more!

Now your guy has had 16 months to "sit down" with Amadinejhad, to reason with him, to do what Bush failed to do.... what are the results? Has Obama changed any hearts or minds? Doesn't seem like it to me, Iranians are poised to have a nuke or two by next year, and at this point, aside from a major military conflagration, nothing is going to stop them. At some point, don't you think you might stop sitting on your hands and blaming Bush? Maybe you're waiting for the mushroom cloud over Jerusalem, so you can shake your head and proclaim it such a tragedy and more blood on the hands of George W. Bush?
 
For those interested in what previously transpired:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643929&postcount=230

And now let's take a gander at Dixie's latest collection of regurgitated BS, lies, and dodges



Taichiliberal wrote:

You're repeating yourself....a sure sign of a neocon parrot. We were sending folks into the mines LONG before nuke power plants went online commercially over 30 years ago, you numbskull. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE MANAGEMENTS HISTORICAL RECORD OF INDIFFERENCE TO MINERS SAFETY....as the numerous unheeded violations show.

If repeating yourself means you are a NEOCON parrot, what do your friends think of your new-found right wing affiliation? I bet that was a shocker to them! I don't understand your point about sending men into mines long before nuclear power. Of course we were... men have been poking around in underground caves for thousands of years. It's still just as unsafe as it ever was. My argument is, nuclear power replaces the need to go underground and mine coal for energy production, and is much safer. You'd think a progressive would understand advancement in technology...I guess that must be your NEOCON kicking in, huh?

Amazing how this jackass wastes time and space to essentially ignore what others write and repeat himself. His assertion: no need for coal mining if we replace coal run power plants with nuke plants. His delusion: there have been no noteworthy deaths or environmental or economic down side attributed to nuke plants this past 30 years. He'll just ignore ANY and ALL information to the contrary. This is why he ignores my point that coal mining mis-management and corruption has been the major cause of mining deaths.

Oh, there is a real good excuse for the management's historical indifference to miner safety... MONEY! Have you heard activist liberal nitwits lately? If management were forced to implement EVERY safety precaution liberal nitwits wanted, it would not be worth the trouble of mining coal, we'd have to abandon that as well as nuclear energy. Since people have kind of gotten used to electrical power, and we haven't built any new nuclear plants lately, we have to weigh the liberal pinhead safety issues with cost factor of implementing them... but again, nuclear power eliminates a lot of this, as it eliminates the need to mine for coal as much. It's just plain common sense.

Note how Dixie further excuses corruption and mis-management by blaming it on "liberal pinhead safety issues". Don't do what's right to make things better, just scrap the whole thing and go nuclear....then just IGNORE THE FACTS regarding the negative environmental impact, cancer spikes for workers and citizens in the surrounding area, plants operating well past their structual life expectancy, and the ever increasing waste with related problems. Yep, old Dixie's got it licked!


Taichiliberal Quote:
MAYBE if corporate ass kissers like yourself got their way, Shoreham nuke power plant on Long Island, NY would have went on-line with faulty coolant pipes....folk like me who gave it the hard eye discovered that and other major problems, and with a little hard work got it shut down.

Don't know anything about this plant, but the important thing is, it didn't go online with faulty coolant pipes, something prevented that from happening. Stuff like this is the reason we've been dealing with nuclear energy for over 60 years, and haven't had a single death from the production of it. It's like space travel (only safer)... we go into space all the time now, but it's relatively safe as long as we follow our guidelines. We have developed a safety system and for the most part, it works. Nuclear energy is the highest regulated and most safety-scrutinized form of energy, period! And I am glad you are proud of your efforts in ensuring the US has not opened a nuclear power facility in 30 years, thanks to you, we are 30 years behind the rest of the world, while we continue to endure untold numbers of deaths and diseases from underground coal mining, and unprecedented ecological damage from oil drilling. Nuclear energy would have certainly eliminated the need for some of this, don't you imagine?

Okay, catch what this idiot just stated.....he's clueless about Shoreham, but then blathers on about how good old industry progress over 60 years saved the day.

WRONG! The faulty coolant pipes and other problems with Shoreham WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED SAVE FOR THE PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST IT and subsequent investigative reporting. For all his faults, former Gov. Cuomo stated finally put a stop the madness by pointing out there was NO viable evacuation plan of the populace in the event of an emergency. The SOB's behind Shoreham did a low leve irradiation test in an effort to keep from losing...they lost anyway, and the CITIZENS got stuck with the clean up bill.

Dixie seems to think that corporate corruption is non-existent in the world of nuclear power plants.....someone clue him in on Indian Point.



Taichiliberal Quote:
Maybe if conservative idealogues like you got their way, the various documented cases of contamination to surrounding wildlife would be DOUBLE now, as well as the cases of various cancer spikes to populations surrounding nuke plants. And MAYBE if insipidly stubborn folk like yourself got their way, we'd have DOUBLE the amount of nuke waste to contend with.

Well first of all, there has been no evidence to link cancer spikes or wildlife damage to nuclear power facilities operating in the United States. Manipulating data to make your case, is a pointless venture, as the Warmers recently discovered. Any data can be made to indicate anything, when it is distorted for that purpose, you should know that. As for nuclear waste, we have a method of disposing it, and this seems to work for the rest of the world, including Iran... I don't see you protesting their nuclear waste. Or France!

See folks, Dixie is a prime example of willful ignorance. On this thread I've produced links to documented, valid information regarding contamination of local wildlife and population in the vicinity of nuke plants. Dixie refuses to either read or acknowledge such, and continues to squawk his beliefs. Which is why rational debate with Dixie and folk who think like him is useless.

Taichiliberal Quote:
Maybe if the existing energy industries didn't fight environmental emissions regulations tooth and nail, and actually took measures to PROTECT the workers like they should, and didn't do a propaganda number to INCORPORATE wind and solar, then we could actually start to decommission all those nuke plants who are PAST 30 years and subsequent operating peak sans structural refit. But hey, you just keep ignoring all this and parrot yourself silly with pro-nuke mantras.

No, IF they didn't fight tooth and nail against the ENVIRO-WACKOS, your average power bill would be about $6,000.00 a month. That is what it would take to implement the regulations/safety precautions/limitations/restrictions on the industry as a whole, if all the environmental activist groups had their way. Many areas wouldn't be able to get power, even at the exorbitant prices.

Really? And what proof do you have to back this statement?

Taichiliberal Quote:
FYI: Amadinejhad doesn't have final say...the mullahs do. THEY were the ones who were repeatedly asking the Shrub for a sit down, and got refuffed with bush-wah. If the Shrub didn't give the little jerk the PR keys to the kingdom, he would have been voted out, as he didn't deliver on any of his financial promises to his people.

Uhm, do the Mullahs respect Israel's right to exist, and not believe they must be wiped from the planet to make way for the 12th Imam, and return of Allah? Do the Mullahs, (who are the authority figures over the radical Islamic beliefs of Amadinejhad), share some sort of secret benevolent view toward Jews? This is news to me! Tell me more!

Didn't say the mullahs were Israel friendly...but they sure as hell weren't idiots like Ahmadineajad (spl). That the Shrub nixed all avenues of diplomacy with them helped boost the little twerps status. The reason this is news to you is because of your apalling lack of knowledge beyond what you believe.

Now your guy has had 16 months to "sit down" with Amadinejhad, to reason with him, to do what Bush failed to do.... what are the results? Has Obama changed any hearts or minds? Doesn't seem like it to me, Iranians are poised to have a nuke or two by next year, and at this point, aside from a major military conflagration, nothing is going to stop them. At some point, don't you think you might stop sitting on your hands and blaming Bush? Maybe you're waiting for the mushroom cloud over Jerusalem, so you can shake your head and proclaim it such a tragedy and more blood on the hands of George W. Bush?

He's working with the hand dealt to him by the incompetence of the Shrub & the PNAC agenda......cleaning up 8 years of stupidity will take more than one year, you fool. That Iran has a burgeoning opposition to Ahmadinejad should tell you something....but since Iran has been on the defensive for 8 years, Obama is going to do what clowns like you want....stay the course with public posturing, sanctions and counter threats.
 
OMG Chicky I wish you'd learn how to post you dumb hick.

His assertion: no need for coal mining if we replace coal run power plants with nuke plants.

My actual assertion: Not as much need for underground coal mines with more nuclear power plants. Do you dispute this???

He'll just ignore ANY and ALL information to the contrary.

No. I ignore hyper-rhetoric from extremists on all sides. I realize that extremist groups with an agenda and a mission, are not going to tell me the whole truth on any issue, and I can't depend on that information alone to decide whether I am for or against it. All you have shown me, is from agenda-driven activists who have a mission to eliminate all nuclear energy. Obviously, that is not objective information or a way to fairly evaluate the issue. Again, this is common sense a booger-eater like you may not comprehend.

This is why he ignores my point that coal mining mis-management and corruption has been the major cause of mining deaths...

Mining that wouldn't be happening, if we had more nuclear power plants. I think COAL MINES are the major cause of mining deaths! If we can eliminate a couple thousand of those, maybe we wouldn't have as many deaths? Maybe we would have the nightmarish safety violations and corruption, because there wouldn't be as many of them? Perhaps our inefficient government could manage to actually monitor the few remaining coal mines? We won't ever know, because we didn't build nuclear plants and we are 30 years behind the curve.

Note how Dixie further excuses corruption and mis-management by blaming it on "liberal pinhead safety issues". Don't do what's right to make things better, just scrap the whole thing and go nuclear....

As much as we might like to scrap the archaic practice of mining coal, it is still an abundant source of fuel for energy, and probably will be forever. There will always (in our lifetime) be the need for coal, and coal mining. But the 'demand' for coal today, is mostly from the need for electrical power, which could be produced with nuclear much more efficiently, cheaper, and relatively safer to the environment than burning coal.

The faulty coolant pipes and other problems with Shoreham WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED SAVE FOR THE PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST IT and subsequent investigative reporting. For all his faults, former Gov. Cuomo stated finally put a stop the madness by pointing out there was NO viable evacuation plan of the populace in the event of an emergency. The SOB's behind Shoreham did a low leve irradiation test in an effort to keep from losing...they lost anyway, and the CITIZENS got stuck with the clean up bill.

Proving that nuclear energy is taken very seriously, the safety aspects are considered very carefully, and our system of checks and balances works. The citizens always get stuck with the clean up bill for any energy-related disaster, who do you think will be paying to clean up the gulf coast? That is a red herring you toss in, because you are attempting to defy common sense.

Dixie seems to think that corporate corruption is non-existent in the world of nuclear power plants.....someone clue him in on Indian Point.

Corruption exists in every industry and everything humans are involved in. Again, this is an even bigger red herring. We're gonna need a bigger boat!

No, IF they didn't fight tooth and nail against the ENVIRO-WACKOS, your average power bill would be about $6,000.00 a month. That is what it would take to implement the regulations/safety precautions/limitations/restrictions on the industry as a whole, if all the environmental activist groups had their way. Many areas wouldn't be able to get power, even at the exorbitant prices.

Really? And what proof do you have to back this statement?

I don't need to back up that statement, it is common sense. To implement all of the necessary regulations, restrictions, guidelines, mandates, and demands of environmentalists, to sufficiently satisfy their concerns, interests and objectives, it would cost that much to provide you with electrical service. AT LEAST! Hell... if some of them had their way, we'd be in the dark ages... begging to burn a tree or something! Stop being ignorant, you know damn well I don't need a "source" to express a point of fucking common sense!

Didn't say the mullahs were Israel friendly...but they sure as hell weren't idiots like Ahmadineajad... That Iran has a burgeoning opposition to Ahmadinejad should tell you something...

The Mullahs are nuttier than Ahmie! That's where he gets his nuttiness from! The opposition is mostly westernized youth who think these people are insane! Like you should think, but you don't!
 
OMG Chicky I wish you'd learn how to post you dumb hick.

"Chicky"?!??! Problems with the concept of taichi, ehh bunky? Get an adult to explain it to you....or come up with some better, more up-to-date insults. And since you understand EVERYTHING I wrote, your "complaint" is just another smokescreen to detract from your ignorance and insipid stubborness.

His assertion: no need for coal mining if we replace coal run power plants with nuke plants.

My actual assertion: Not as much need for underground coal mines with more nuclear power plants. Do you dispute this???

This is what YOU wrote, you dunce: "The mining disasters are a direct result of us sending men into underground coal mines to dig for coal, because we don't build nuclear power plants."

"My argument is, nuclear power replaces the need to go underground and mine coal for energy production, and is much safer."


There is NOTHING in those sentences that suggests partial replacement or shared responsibility between coal and nuclear. Next time, either learn to properly express your thoughts or have the maturity not to try and lie about what you wrote when proved wrong.


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He'll just ignore ANY and ALL information to the contrary.

No. I ignore hyper-rhetoric from extremists on all sides. I realize that extremist groups with an agenda and a mission, are not going to tell me the whole truth on any issue, and I can't depend on that information alone to decide whether I am for or against it. All you have shown me, is from agenda-driven activists who have a mission to eliminate all nuclear energy. Obviously, that is not objective information or a way to fairly evaluate the issue. Again, this is common sense a booger-eater like you may not comprehend.

Amazing how this imbecile tries to defend NOT reading information provided, and then blathering away as if she's knowledgeable. Any high school teacher or college prof will tell you that you DO NOT go into a debate without knowledge of what your opponent is talking about. Unlike our dimwitted Dixie chick her, I READ WHAT IS OFFERED DESPITE THE SOURCE....that way, I know what the discussion is about, details and can mount a rational, fact based counter argument with valid information that supports my case. But hey, Fox Noise and Rush have trained Dixie well....and how can one argue with such a rational, personal accusation as "booger-breath"? But that's our Dixie...ignorant and proud of it.

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This is why he ignores my point that coal mining mis-management and corruption has been the major cause of mining deaths...

Mining that wouldn't be happening, if we had more nuclear power plants. I think COAL MINES are the major cause of mining deaths! If we can eliminate a couple thousand of those, maybe we wouldn't have as many deaths? Maybe we would have the nightmarish safety violations and corruption, because there wouldn't be as many of them? Perhaps our inefficient government could manage to actually monitor the few remaining coal mines? We won't ever know, because we didn't build nuclear plants and we are 30 years behind the curve.

Once again, Dixie merely repeats herself....while ignoring the FACT that I already addressed her assertion and logically proved it to be flawed. See folks, Dixie relies on what she believes as a fact.....then she just disregards whatever information that contradicts that belief. A quick examination of the previous post will bare witness to this.


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Note how Dixie further excuses corruption and mis-management by blaming it on "liberal pinhead safety issues". Don't do what's right to make things better, just scrap the whole thing and go nuclear....

As much as we might like to scrap the archaic practice of mining coal, it is still an abundant source of fuel for energy, and probably will be forever. There will always (in our lifetime) be the need for coal, and coal mining. But the 'demand' for coal today, is mostly from the need for electrical power, which could be produced with nuclear much more efficiently, cheaper, and relatively safer to the environment than burning coal.

Your callous disregard for human life in order to support your beliefs and contentions is appalling. Far be it for you to have the guts to acknowledge the criminal mismangement and disregard of the owers and management of the mines. Oh no, corporate ass kissers like you NEVER blame management...blame the "liberals" and then just attach your lips to the posteriors of a nuclear power plant owner.....while acknowleging your total ignorance about corruption and bad management problems in that industry that has led to deaths and contamination of wildlife and people. You disgust me.


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The faulty coolant pipes and other problems with Shoreham WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED SAVE FOR THE PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST IT and subsequent investigative reporting. For all his faults, former Gov. Cuomo stated finally put a stop the madness by pointing out there was NO viable evacuation plan of the populace in the event of an emergency. The SOB's behind Shoreham did a low leve irradiation test in an effort to keep from losing...they lost anyway, and the CITIZENS got stuck with the clean up bill.

Proving that nuclear energy is taken very seriously, the safety aspects are considered very carefully, and our system of checks and balances works. The citizens always get stuck with the clean up bill for any energy-related disaster, who do you think will be paying to clean up the gulf coast? That is a red herring you toss in, because you are attempting to defy common sense.

My God, you are a complete corporate whore, aren't you? FYI, the citizens sure as hell didn't have ANY input into the construction of Shoreham... that was the company and shareholders. But when the fuck up, the people (you and I) get stuck with the lion's share of the bill. And it seems you'll bend over the chair with a smile on your face if BP tried the same thing.

And let me tell it to you AGAIN. Shoreham would have installed faulty coolants if the PEOPLE didn't raise hell. Got that stupid?!?? Get your head out of your ass, do some honest research....Indian Point plant would be a good start. God, you're so ignorant and proud of it.



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Dixie seems to think that corporate corruption is non-existent in the world of nuclear power plants.....someone clue him in on Indian Point.

Corruption exists in every industry and everything humans are involved in. Again, this is an even bigger red herring. We're gonna need a bigger boat!

Translation: this intellectual coward just doesn't deal with any information that contradicts her belief system. She just puts on the blinders and remains blisfully ignorant about Indian Point, Shoreham, and the other information I've linked. Typical dumbass corporate whore, our Dixie.


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No, IF they didn't fight tooth and nail against the ENVIRO-WACKOS, your average power bill would be about $6,000.00 a month. That is what it would take to implement the regulations/safety precautions/limitations/restrictions on the industry as a whole, if all the environmental activist groups had their way. Many areas wouldn't be able to get power, even at the exorbitant prices.

Really? And what proof do you have to back this statement?

I don't need to back up that statement, it is common sense. To implement all of the necessary regulations, restrictions, guidelines, mandates, and demands of environmentalists, to sufficiently satisfy their concerns, interests and objectives, it would cost that much to provide you with electrical service. AT LEAST! Hell... if some of them had their way, we'd be in the dark ages... begging to burn a tree or something! Stop being ignorant, you know damn well I don't need a "source" to express a point of fucking common sense!

And there you have it folks....DIXIE PULLS A NUMBER OUT OF HER ASS AND THEN PROUDLY TELLS US SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE IT! She's intellectually bankrupt and proud of it!


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Didn't say the mullahs were Israel friendly...but they sure as hell weren't idiots like Ahmadineajad... That Iran has a burgeoning opposition to Ahmadinejad should tell you something...

The Mullahs are nuttier than Ahmie! That's where he gets his nuttiness from! The opposition is mostly westernized youth who think these people are insane! Like you should think, but you don't!

Once again, our intellectually bankrupt corporate whore bullhorns her opinion as fact. I'm done with this imbecile.
 
Your callous disregard for human life in order to support your beliefs and contentions is appalling.

Seems to me, you are the one with callous disregard for human life, you keep allowing all of these coal miners and oil rig workers to die needlessly, when the energy they produce could be done much safer with nuclear technology. Just since you started this thread, we have 29 dead in West Virgina, 2 more in Kentucky, and 11 workers are fish food off the coast of Louisiana. Meanwhile, 60 years of nuclear energy production, and not a single death. We have the monumental problem of trying to fix the mine safety issues, and clean up the gulf coast, at no telling what cost, all because we don't produce nuclear energy which would eliminate the need for much of the other types of energy production.

You yammer on and on about "corruption" but as I stated, corruption is a part of the human condition, we're going to have corruption in anything involving humans, you can't eliminate it completely. The only thing you can do about corruption is hand out harsh punishment for the corrupt, when they are caught. I support that concept, but you probably think their punishment should be dependent on whether or not they are liberal or right wing. The bottom line is, you will still have corruption, it doesn't matter what you do. However.... With Nuclear Energy, because of the "nature of the beast", you have major oversight from the Feds on every aspect of production, through the NRC and EPA, through watchdog groups, and through the general public. It is highly regulated and monitored, and safety is taken with the utmost of seriousness, because really bad shit can happen if you don't. I wish I could tell you Nuclear Energy wouldn't have corruption, I can't tell you that, it's an impossible criteria to meet for anything involving humans, but I can tell you this... corruption dealing with nuclear energy would not go ignored or unnoticed and unattended. Not nearly to the degree it currently happens in other energy-related industry.
 
"Chicky"?!??! Problems with the concept of taichi, ehh bunky? Get an adult to explain it to you....or come up with some better, more up-to-date insults.

That's when a bunch of old women get together in Central Park during tea time and do some stretchy exercises. :)
 
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