Now do you suppose the Founding Fathers envisioned

[Into the Night]

But true. Our constitutional rights apply to all persons in the U. S. regardless of citizenship or immigration status.

Your paradox is not a True.
It is being irrational to argue both sides of a paradox. Pivoting away and playing word games does not clear your paradox.

 

[archives]

Your paradox is not a True.
It is being irrational to argue both sides of a paradox. Pivoting away and playing word games does not clear your paradox.

That’s got to be the laugh of the day, “pigeon” accusing another of ”pivoting away and playing word games,” appears he never heard of people living in glass houses

 

[Into the Night]

Immigration is a federal function

Yes it is. It is also a State function.

by court interpretation

No court needed to grant such authority. It is in the Constitution.

but you say the courts have no power to interpret the document.

They don't.

Immigration is not included in the Constitution.

Yes it is.

It is a liberal interpretation by those wanting greater federal power.

No, you are just denying the Constitution again.

 

[Into the Night]

That’s got to be the laugh of the day, “pigeon” accusing another of ”pivoting away and playing word games,” appears he never heard of people living in glass houses

LIF. Grow up. Cliche fallacy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The people did not write the Constitution, but they ordain it to authority through their State governments.

the preamble starts with 'we the people'............it was ratified by the colonies, through their representatives after listening to the people. This is a concept, not a literal issue. we the people wrote the constitution. it's indicative of we the people being in power of the nation.

 

[RB 60]

Maybe not, but that is a political decision and irrelevant to whether the federal and state governments have the power to regulate weapons.

Would you limit violent felons or 12 year-olds from owning weapons?

Laws against murder don't work, either, but the public supports them.

Violent felons? Absolutely. As for 12 yr. olds? Depends on their upbringing. I owned a hi-power rifle at age 12.

 

[Into the Night]

the preamble starts with 'we the people'............it was ratified by the colonies, through their representatives after listening to the people. This is a concept, not a literal issue. we the people wrote the constitution. it's indicative of we the people being in power of the nation.

The people did not write the Constitution. They ordained it to authority though, acting through their colonies or States.

 

[Into the Night]

The people did not write the Constitution. They ordained it to authority though, acting through their colonies or States.

The United States is not a democracy, which is government by popular vote. It is a republic, which is government by law (a constitution).

 

[Hawkeye10]

The United States is not a democracy, which is government by popular vote. It is a republic, which is government by law (a constitution).

God DAMN It...America is now run by a regressive communist revolution.

Your vast ignorance is embarrassing.

 

[martin]

Nah, they were talking about an actual State militia, given the country disbanded the Continental Army, they were relying on a volunteer citizen force to defend the country if needed, common practice at the time, ergo the need to maintain weapons

Exactly. The second amendment was meant to empower citizen militias for the purpose of avoiding a standing army which they feared would pose a threat to democratic government.

 

[martin]

Although STY is dumber than two sacks of pebbles, I believe that he's right on this issue.

The 2nd Amendment pretty much justifies insurrection if interpreted literally.

Although he's mentally deficient enough to think that such is a good thing,
he is right on this.

Our constitution is a shit show.
Everybody seems to be too much of a brain-dead true believer to realize it.

The above from one more member who imagines history instead of learning it.

 

[Into the Night]

Exactly. The second amendment was meant to empower citizen militias for the purpose of avoiding a standing army which they feared would pose a threat to democratic government.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Citizens are not militia.

The 2nd amendment discusses two related cases of the inherent right of self defense.

A State has the right of self defense. It does this by forming militias. These are regulated by the State, and commanded by the governor of that State. Any State has the right to form an active militia to repel an invasion or to otherwise protect itself if the federal government refuses to act in time.

The people ALSO have the right of self defense. They may keep and bear Arms (any type of weapon, including any type of gun).

Neither right shall be infringed. This amendment applies to the States as well as the federal government. Every State, county, parish, city, or town is subject to this restriction just as much as the federal government is.

Nothing in the 2nd amendment specifies any restriction of any weapon based on size, type, size of magazine (if any), how 'scary' it looks, etc.

The best way to deal with a murderous individual (such as mass shooter) is to shoot back. Put him out of action.

 

[Into the Night]

The above from one more member who imagines history instead of learning it.

Very true. He is an avowed communist.

 

[zymurgy]

No matter how you insult, you cannot change the Constitution.

no matter how retarded you are - the 14th amendment incorporated the bill of rights

 

[Into the Night]

no matter how retarded you are - the 14th amendment incorporated the bill of rights

The 14th amendment did not change anything in the Bill of Rights. The 2nd amendment has ALWAYS applied to the States as well as the federal government.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun. You are simply trying to deny and discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

 

[zymurgy]

The 14th amendment did not change anything in the Bill of Rights.

derp derp

do we believe a fucking retard on the internet, or what legal scholars say?

hint - you are the retard on the internet. as a retard, I figured you needed the hint

 

[Into the Night]

derp derp

do we believe a fucking retard on the internet, or what legal scholars say?

hint - you are the retard on the internet. as a retard, I figured you needed the hint

Insult fallacies. False authority fallacy.
The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

Insult fallacies. False authority fallacy.
The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun.

And yet, there are already many limitations on the law books. Why haven't you revolted from this tyranny? What would stop you from tolerating any more?

 

[zymurgy]

Insult fallacies. False authority fallacy.
The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun.

blablabla

I asked you for one single example of a state case citing the bill of rights prior the 14th amendment

you failed. you are a fucking failure dude.

you just repeat your same bullshit over and over like a chimp with a keyboard

 

[Into the Night]

And yet, there are already many limitations on the law books. Why haven't you revolted from this tyranny? What would stop you from tolerating any more?

Many have been struck down too. I am revolting this tyranny.