Now do you suppose the Founding Fathers envisioned

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It is the absolute height of stupidity to believe that the founders would ratify an Amendment that ONLY guaranteed the right of government run units to have arms, after they had just won independence from their government who tried to enforce that only the government had arms.

It's also very amusing that you call the dozen plus references of the founders claim to individually, privately owned firearms as a right as 'cherry picking', yet you can only reference one single chief justices claim, 200 years AFTER the fact.

you've been lectured on how wrong you are. again.

Well...you ARE saying this to anchovies...

 

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The human being evolved as a social animal, not a lone hunter.
Aberrations like yourself were meant to be culled.

I'm not sure for what we're waiting.

War mongering.

 

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My question is still, how much more dangerous do these guns need to prove they are before we treat them the same way as fully automatics?

We regulate them more heavily presumably because of how dangerous they can be, especially in crowded situations, and yet *gestures at the 565 mass shootings we've had this year so far*.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit ANY gun. That includes fully automatics guns.

 

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It's funny you should say that.
You know that I'm 77 years old.

What you don't know is that if we were both 20 and engaged in an unarmed altercation,
I could have literally taken your life in well under a minute.

I'm not saying that this is an important thing that says anything about either of us as a person.
It's simply true.

You want to go straight to the guns, though, right?

Did you serve in the armed forces? I did, apparently as a "supposed American."
What training do you have with guns that puts you in the advantage even there?

STY, you're so pathetically dumb that it's painful to share discourse with you.

Whiner.

 

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More so “stupid” to believe the Founders thought ”freedom was more important than safety,” as I’ve “lectured” you, all rights, even freedom, are based on reason, not desire, which is why you lost your “freedom” to drive on the left hand side of the road

And as I said, the Founders were prolific writers over long careers, look long enough, and anyone can find a phrase or paragraph that supposedly supports just about any point one wants to make, which is what you, via the NRA, has done

The right of self defense is inherent.
You don't get to speak for the dead.
It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun.

 

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I find it absolutely hilarious that without knowing one single thing about me, that you can assume this.............



one thing i've made very clear on this board is my service. 6 years as a US Marine.

if you find it painful to share discourse with me, then put me on ignore.

He is a war monger, and a coward.
BTW, thank for your service, sir.

 

[evince]

I believe that the founding fathers envisioned exactly that.

If the writers of the constitution didn't want America to be the planet's biggest gunfight,
they'd have written a better constitution.

They didn’t want this idiot



The society was completely different then


Let’s remember the founders knew their ideas were going to modified by the people to meet the future


It’s why they created an amendment process



They wanted us to create a more perfect union

 

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And the reason for that is because no SCOTUS prior to Heller could ever definitively define the prefatory clause, so they did proceed further on cases petitioning to the Amendment. And that is where Scalia came up with his Originalism bullshit, saying that if no Court could get by the prefatory clause, he could just skip over it and tell us what he thought the Founders thought

Irrelevant. It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun.

 

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But you aren't 20 are you. So you need an equalizer to defend yourself against people that are 20. THINK!

You're asking Nifty to think????!?

 

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I'm on the internet.
I don't need anything at all.
I don't even know if I'm engaging real people or not.
It's just a way to kill time.

Guess you failed the Turing test.

 

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Not at all, as I’ve said, bottom line, which common sense alone tells you, all rights, even freedom, are based on reason, not desire, which is why you lost your “freedom” to drive on the left hand side of the road. It is a basic tenant of Locke, of whom the Founding Fathers based their outlook upon, you are professing an aborted version of Robespierre’s dogmatism, and we all know how that turned out

A gun is not a car. False equivalence fallacy.

 

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Not true, as I said, the SCOTUS’s inability to define it was why they always tried to avoid gun cases, Scalia disregarded it, actually, skipping over it, basing his “logic” on the fact the clause hadn’t been legally defined

Irrelevant. It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any gun. Word games doesn't change that.

 

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Poor anchovies, take your bullshit to the Supreme Court or get two-thirds of both houses and amend the Constitution.
Another option is to stop listening to leftie talk shows where the host thinks he/she/alphabet can interpret the founding father's words.

Neither the Supreme Court nor Congress has authority to amend the Constitution.
Only the States have that authority. They are the owners of the thing, after all.

 

[evince]

It is the absolute height of stupidity to believe that the founders would ratify an Amendment that ONLY guaranteed the right of government run units to have arms, after they had just won independence from their government who tried to enforce that only the government had arms.

It's also very amusing that you call the dozen plus references of the founders claim to individually, privately owned firearms as a right as 'cherry picking', yet you can only reference one single chief justices claim, 200 years AFTER the fact.

you've been lectured on how wrong you are. again.

We’re slaves allowed to own guns?



They created a system that was designed to respond to the wishes and needs of the changing generations



Why do you pretend they set down unchangable rules to be set in stone



It’s a government of the people not a fucking religion you loser

 

[evince]

Neither the Supreme Court nor Congress has authority to amend the Constitution.
Only the States have that authority. They are the owners of the thing, after all.

Congress writes legislation you fucking idiot



It’s why they exist you brain fucked trash head

 

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Disregard anything that dimwit has to say about rights or the Constitution. He once stated that, and I quote, “vehicles cannot be necessary” in a modern society because they are not covered in the Constitution.

The federal government has NO authority to ban or limit any vehicle. It is unconstitutional for them to do so.
Only the States have that authority (if and only if that authority is given in their constitution).
You are ignoring the 10th amendment again.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

We’re slaves allowed to own guns?

not according to democrats/KKK

They created a system that was designed to respond to the wishes and needs of the changing generations

and democrats continually ignore that process and the intent behind it.

Why do you pretend they set down unchangable rules to be set in stone

Because they wished to preserve rights and freedom, not government power. That is the only thing allowed to be modified

It’s a government of the people not a fucking religion you loser

you're not making sense here

 

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They didn’t want this idiot



The society was completely different then


Let’s remember the founders knew their ideas were going to modified by the people to meet the future


It’s why they created an amendment process



They wanted us to create a more perfect union

Presentism fallacy.
Strawman fallacy. What you are suggesting is NOT an amendment. Denying the Constitution like you do is NOT amending it!

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Congress writes legislation you fucking idiot

It’s why they exist you brain fucked trash head

congress does not exist to change the constitution, only work according to the rules set by it.

 

[evince]

not according to democrats/KKK


and democrats continually ignore that process and the intent behind it.


Because they wished to preserve rights and freedom, not government power. That is the only thing allowed to be modified


you're not making sense here

Go study the amendment process idiot



They gave the people the right to fix shit they couldn’t imagine facing the system



You want it set in stone



Fuck you



It was never intended to be set in stone